[ 2020 ] Aston Martin RedBull Racing F1 Team - Honda

[McMika98]

Then again. You are always here when things even smell like possibly not going as planned to make all kind of ominous predictions. And sometimes even just for the sake of it. This is the best chance Ricciardo has on a podium. Actually maybe even a fair shot, I’ll give you that.

Tomorrow RBR will be very close, unless they really cannot make their set up work. If you read neweys book you learn that that indeed happens. Heck, if the infallible mercedes got it wrong in Silverstone (2). Maybe 1 also.

I would rather be in a position to predict a Redbull or AT romp by qualifying over a second quicker than the field. Sadly pigs may fly before that happens so i feel a perspective is needed to tone the expectations of some fans. Its very deflating when the car does not deliver after all the hype.

[etusch]

they (merc) can be faster in race trim but they feel sore about this td and there must be a reason for that. Because if this makes you faster then what is problem with it ?

Mercedes feels they are being unfairly targeted on the behest of Red Bull and Ferrari. A TD should be to stop people exploiting rules, not to simply take away an advantage, without a clear explanation. They are not happy that FIA has not provided a proper clarification on this action.

How you can be sure their advantages not coming from exploiting rules ? All your and their defending are unlogical about that fact "if you will be faster in race trim with the new td why you are against it ?" Show them/us what you have in race instead of Q.
When they talked they say they want to have close fight but when something happened to possibly bring it they just cry. This is not for the first time fia tries to stop ( if this is for it, I am suspicious about that ) a team domination.

[JordanMugen]

they (merc) can be faster in race trim but they feel sore about this td and there must be a reason for that. Because if this makes you faster then what is problem with it ?

Mercedes feels they are being unfairly targeted on the behest of Red Bull and Ferrari. A TD should be to stop people exploiting rules, not to simply take away an advantage, without a clear explanation. They are not happy that FIA has not provided a proper clarification on this action.

Red Bull would be more cooperative with Mercedes if Mercedes had just supplied the darn customer Aston Martin power units from 2016 onwards. Notice how Williams and Racing Point are more pliable to Mercedes' political objectives, yet Mercedes rejected bringing Red Bull as an ally!?

Without such a partnership, it is only logical that Red Bull and Mercedes-Benz are political rivals and not political allies!

[Moore77]

they (merc) can be faster in race trim but they feel sore about this td and there must be a reason for that. Because if this makes you faster then what is problem with it ?

Mercedes feels they are being unfairly targeted on the behest of Red Bull and Ferrari. A TD should be to stop people exploiting rules, not to simply take away an advantage, without a clear explanation. They are not happy that FIA has not provided a proper clarification on this action.

Red Bull would be more cooperative with Mercedes if Mercedes had just supplied the darn customer Aston Martin power units from 2016 onwards. Notice how Williams and Racing Point are more pliable to Mercedes' political objectives, yet Mercedes rejected bringing Red Bull as an ally!?

Without such a partnership, it is only logical that Red Bull and Mercedes-Benz are political rivals and not political allies!

Mercedes would take the current situation anyday, compared to giving power units to Red Bull and create ally, but then create a bigger competition for themselves and risk championships.

[Moore77]

they (merc) can be faster in race trim but they feel sore about this td and there must be a reason for that. Because if this makes you faster then what is problem with it ?

Mercedes feels they are being unfairly targeted on the behest of Red Bull and Ferrari. A TD should be to stop people exploiting rules, not to simply take away an advantage, without a clear explanation. They are not happy that FIA has not provided a proper clarification on this action.

How you can be sure their advantages not coming from exploiting rules ? All your and their defending are unlogical about that fact "if you will be faster in race trim with the new td why you are against it ?" Show them/us what you have in race instead of Q.
When they talked they say they want to have close fight but when something happened to possibly bring it they just cry. This is not for the first time fia tries to stop ( if this is for it, I am suspicious about that ) a team domination.

I have no clue where their advantage is coming from or whether it is legal or not, just like the rest of the world. Neither does FIA, Honda, Renault or Ferrari know. I would assume, you believe this TD is going to stop any kind of exploitation. Right? So you support this and believe this would make the PUs to conform to legality? Beyond this, you would stop questioning the legality of Mercedes, because this TD is going to stop them from doing anything illegal?

Because Mercedes was resisting this TD, they are worried about losing advantage. That is your point Right? We will get answers in a few hours. For now, I would stick to my point that, Mercedes is unhappy because FIA is playing to the gallery of Red Bull and Ferrari, without explaining why this TD is being issued mid-season.

[Jaisonas]

I still feel like redbull are running way too short gearing for this track, in fact probably the shortest of everyone...

[godlameroso]

The tow isn't as OP as it was last year, because most cars have less drag.

Ahem! I know aero is your strong point but please feel free to enlighten us with why a tow isn't worth the same as last year. Did we change the aero this year or is it not the same reg? Also now that there isnt the same quali mode, a row will make all the difference.

Just development, last year the gain from a tow was less than the downforce lost on corners on a couple tracks. This year cars have more downforce and less drag than last year, so you gain less from a toe and lose more in the corners, which means the toe is less effective than last year.

[63l8qrrfy6]

VER took a new gearbox this weekend I think? If that's the case they are stuck with these ratios for the rest of the season.

[godlameroso]

.356 off Bottas on a harder tire. Interesting.

[Marti_EF3]

Yeah, but I feel Merc were running with higher fuel loads...

[mem]

there is a reason why Red Bull pushed for 'quali mode' ban
just today Toto was hallucinating about using the party mode in full races next yeear

who ever think Gasly and Norris are faster than Max ,good luck with that.

Be careful what u wish for.
Not only can Gasly n Norris outqualify max with a decent tow, i think Danny Ric will be much faster than Max. They are still struggling with balance after all these races some at same circuits. Monza typically bunches all teams so its all down to who gets the best tow and track condition.

Gasly was strong the whole day yesterday , dude seriously you have a big problems with things you imagine , remember when you said the Renault out qualified Max last year @ Monza when he didn't sit a representative time due to PU issues you got 3 downvotes deservedly , there is a reason you have lots of downvotes you seems nice guy but you need to reconsider how you evaluate and think.

how can they afford of the mode from point of fuel and if two laps of Q mode takes away from their engine 25 laps of higher race mode usage, 60 lap of Q mode usage will take away 750 laps which are 12 race long. lets they made 25, 15 laps still it make 7 races. So 7 race tear will be in just one race ?
Aren't they drain their battery at Q mode, aren't they doing recharge lap before next try ? He must be drunk when he said that.

the insufferable oxygen thief is very greedy

[dxpetrov]

Max for the pole!

[gshevlin]

The Red Bull looks like it has too much drag around high speed circuits.

[Jaisonas]

As expected. Very short gearing not allowing the engine to run to its full potential, and honda being honda running the engines on cruise mode. Not hopeful for the race.

[Pany]

Assuming now redbul chassis is top, I'm sorry to say is clear honda Pu is not ready to reach mercedes and help title battle