[ 2020 ] Aston Martin RedBull Racing F1 Team - Honda

[etusch]

As expected. Very short gearing not allowing the engine to run to its full potential, and honda being honda running the engines on cruise mode. Not hopeful for the race.

Honda or others ( probably Honda) went a wrong way when collecting modes in one but it is early to talk. Let's see race.

[Marti_EF3]

As I thought, the weekend wasn't looking good. Tomorrow will be hard to overtake the RP and the Mclaren, only chance on the start to get Pérez. But Mercedes had more pace hidden on the PU, and now without the Q mode they have used it...

[Moore77]

As expected. Very short gearing not allowing the engine to run to its full potential, and honda being honda running the engines on cruise mode. Not hopeful for the race.

Honda or others ( probably Honda) went a wrong way when collecting modes in one but it is early to talk. Let's see race.

You know that result for Red Bull is with the tow, whereas Mercedes cars were running without a tow. Without a tow, the Red Bull would have been another few tenths behind. If you think Honda has selected wrong modes (which I don't believe), they have a mountain to climb to bring that deficit down.

[gshevlin]

If the issue is gearing, then they would have run with increased downforce to try and make time up in the corners. No point in hitting the rev limiter on the straight (if there is one, there may not be one because the ICEs are fuel-flow limited, not mechanically limited) or exceeding the fuel flow limits at maximum speed.
Since Monza is mostly straights, adding downforce probably will not compensate for the lack of straight-line speed, hence the relatively poor qualifying performance.

[etusch]

As expected. Very short gearing not allowing the engine to run to its full potential, and honda being honda running the engines on cruise mode. Not hopeful for the race.

Honda or others ( probably Honda) went a wrong way when collecting modes in one but it is early to talk. Let's see race.

You know that result for Red Bull is with the tow, whereas Mercedes cars were running without a tow. Without a tow, the Red Bull would have been another few tenths behind. If you think Honda has selected wrong modes (which I don't believe), they have a mountain to climb to bring that deficit down.

In fact my opinion is that honda will be almost same with what we see today and others will not. But as I said we need to see tomorrow race.

[McMika98]

So what do folks say now. Car isnt that great and neither is the engine. Pole was so close wasnt it guys.

[Jaisonas]

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[bucker]

Engine modes ban doesn't look good for Red Bull and Honda. On the other side it looks like Alpha Tauri came alive.

[Marti_EF3]

That may be more to the aero configuration than the PU itself. The only one able to add downforce and still be competitive is Mercedes

[bucker]

Honda or others ( probably Honda) went a wrong way when collecting modes in one but it is early to talk. Let's see race.

You know that result for Red Bull is with the tow, whereas Mercedes cars were running without a tow. Without a tow, the Red Bull would have been another few tenths behind. If you think Honda has selected wrong modes (which I don't believe), they have a mountain to climb to bring that deficit down.

In fact my opinion is that honda will be almost same with what we see today and others will not. But as I said we need to see tomorrow race.

But engine modes are not allowed to change from the startof quali to the end of the race. They for sure did experiment during practises.

[IvailoStefanovBG]

So what do folks say now. Car isnt that great and neither is the engine. Pole was so close wasnt it guys.

I think the main problem is the car. It's quite visible after FP1....They need alot more wing to keep the car on the track...Anyway Mercs are light yeras ahead...engine and chassis wise...

[JordanMugen]

Engine modes ban doesn't look good for Red Bull and Honda. On the other side it looks like Alpha Tauri came alive.

But Red Bull and AlphaTauri have the same engine!

[bucker]

Engine modes ban doesn't look good for Red Bull and Honda. On the other side it looks like Alpha Tauri came alive.

But Red Bull and AlphaTauri have the same engine!

I know. Probably there is same story like it was with Renault in Spa. Alpha Tauri in low downforce level is more aero efficient.

[Big Tea]

Engine modes ban doesn't look good for Red Bull and Honda. On the other side it looks like Alpha Tauri came alive.

But Red Bull and AlphaTauri have the same engine!

I know. Probably there is same story like it was with Renault in Spa. Alpha Tauri in low downforce level is more aero efficient.

But the cars were optimised to run with a particular engine option. IF the RBR was optimised to qualify with extra nodes, they will suffer more than the AT if they have not had the extra mode all year.

See what happens in the race

[etusch]

You know that result for Red Bull is with the tow, whereas Mercedes cars were running without a tow. Without a tow, the Red Bull would have been another few tenths behind. If you think Honda has selected wrong modes (which I don't believe), they have a mountain to climb to bring that deficit down.

In fact my opinion is that honda will be almost same with what we see today and others will not. But as I said we need to see tomorrow race.

But engine modes are not allowed to change from the startof quali to the end of the race. They for sure did experiment during practises.

Mode will not change but what has that mode inside? How it works?
I think fia had to mandate to teams to run completely same settings at race a couple of laps back to back.
Or Q3 can be harder compound with same kg of fuel 4-5 laps and pole by average of them.