[ 2020 ] Aston Martin RedBull Racing F1 Team - Honda

[epo]

Not sure how many people remember from last year. One of the problem with Gasly was not able to setup his car. Based on the report, he was going from one setup extreme to the other and the last few races, I believe the team just copied Max' setting for him to drive as baseline. That may just be the reason why Alex is and will continue to stay at RBR. I can see that with RP's success, we may just see 4 RB cars on the grid between the two teams.

Exactly and think Honda wants him to stay at AT and might fun AT a bit more. Let Alex finish this season, the RB16 is --- to drive even for Max, nothing to gain to swap drivers now. Pretty sure they won't as this seems like a lost season so nothing to gain then just learning from it for 2021 and 2020.
And Honda will strike back next year for sure, they were a bit conservative this year, they might go more extreme next year.

[sennafan68]

Worth noting Albon held out the longest against hamilton out of everyone. He held him for 3 entire main straight DRS attacks, even though mercedes opted to use the most power in the race against him specifically. Hamilton's top speed against him were 362, 355 and 363 kmh. He would never come close to 360 kmh again after overtaking albon.

Albon was very poor trough parabolica, missing inside apex and running wide every time (unlike verstappen who actually knew how to drive that corner). This allowed hamilton to hug inside line without much air disturbance and have much better exits, yet he couldn't finish him off on the straight. Against everyone else he more or less flew by under DRS easily. Albon didn't have DRS on any of those laps.

https://i.imgur.com/PPpdmx5.jpg

Albon's top speeds were 347, 347 and 344 kmh.

Remember his floor was damaged so being consistent would have been very hard

[SmallSoldier]

Not sure how many people remember from last year. One of the problem with Gasly was not able to setup his car. Based on the report, he was going from one setup extreme to the other and the last few races, I believe the team just copied Max' setting for him to drive as baseline. That may just be the reason why Alex is and will continue to stay at RBR. I can see that with RP's success, we may just see 4 RB cars on the grid between the two teams.

It seems that loophole may be close now... Besides, for the AT-02 to be an RB16 next season, they may need more chassis changes than the tokens allowed.


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[etusch]

Exactly that ..
I don't think anyone realizes what a beast of an PU the merc is; apparently reliable enough to race in strat2/3
As you say, normally by this time the new car would already be ready, at least as a model. Because of their lead they can switch to next year very early on.
The concept of the 2022 car is already done way before the budget cap will come into play, guaranteeing the same-old-same-old for at least for the first few years; he (or she) that does not drive a merc in the next 5/6 years will not compete for WDC

is it allowed? if yes then fia failed again. If there is budget cap for 2022 teams must produce 2022 car under budget cap regulations and there must be a starting point no one allowed to start earlier than that.

Allowed or not allowed, you cannot stop people from thinking and interpreting a new ruleset. We're not yet at Minority Report stages ..

I'd be honestly amazed when teams did not have any studies/models whatever around the groundeffect principle combined with the other rules. It's just mechanics, laws of Physics, aviation, vortices etc. Time, budget, brains .. the more you have, the bigger the chance on finding stuff others do not.

For fair play teams must do it in time and with personel still working with them after reducing personel.
They know rules and can not stop.thinking about so they can have ideas. It is different from working on something.

[godlameroso]

Looks like the planned update has been moved back to Sochi, the new FW needs tweaking, and another piece to get it working right.

What planned update are you talking about?
Are you saying that they didn't use the new FW during the race or at Mugello?

If the new FW panned out they'd be able to produce the next update for Mugello. However it needs a tweak, so that's going back to the drawing board, which will push the scheduled update back one race.

[Wouter]

Max looks ahead to Mugello: 'We've prepared in the best way possible'.

https://verstappen.com/en/article/4150

[Wouter]

Looks like the planned update has been moved back to Sochi, the new FW needs tweaking, and another piece to get it working right.

What planned update are you talking about?
Are you saying that they didn't use the new FW during the race or at Mugello?

If the new FW panned out they'd be able to produce the next update for Mugello. However it needs a tweak, so that's going back to the drawing board, which will push the scheduled update back one race.

Thanks for the explanation @Godlameroso!

[Big Tea]

Not sure how many people remember from last year. One of the problem with Gasly was not able to setup his car. Based on the report, he was going from one setup extreme to the other and the last few races, I believe the team just copied Max' setting for him to drive as baseline. That may just be the reason why Alex is and will continue to stay at RBR. I can see that with RP's success, we may just see 4 RB cars on the grid between the two teams.

It seems that loophole may be close now... Besides, for the AT-02 to be an RB16 next season, they may need more chassis changes than the tokens allowed.


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It does not need to be a RB16, just a good AT-02 (A) or what ever. 5 tenths will do nicely

[SmallSoldier]

Not sure how many people remember from last year. One of the problem with Gasly was not able to setup his car. Based on the report, he was going from one setup extreme to the other and the last few races, I believe the team just copied Max' setting for him to drive as baseline. That may just be the reason why Alex is and will continue to stay at RBR. I can see that with RP's success, we may just see 4 RB cars on the grid between the two teams.

It seems that loophole may be close now... Besides, for the AT-02 to be an RB16 next season, they may need more chassis changes than the tokens allowed.


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It does not need to be a RB16, just a good AT-02 (A) or what ever. 5 tenths will do nicely

5 Tenths will be great for AT... The AT01 is already a very solid car, which is expected since they get several parts from RBR.


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[JordanMugen]

It seems that loophole may be close now... Besides, for the AT-02 to be an RB16 next season, they may need more chassis changes than the tokens allowed.

They can use RB16 gearbox & front and rear suspension for 'free' without needing tokens.

But... do they want to? RB16's suspension seems to be very tricky indeed, Red Bull may have outsmarted themselves with it...

It does not need to be a RB16, just a good AT-02 (A) or what ever. 5 tenths will do nicely

You make it sound so easy!

Even Red Bull could not find 5 tenths over last year's car (more like 0-1 tenth), and Mercedes only just found 5 tenths and McLaren similar. AlphaTauri's gain of 1.0sec is extraordinary.

[Big Tea]

It seems that loophole may be close now... Besides, for the AT-02 to be an RB16 next season, they may need more chassis changes than the tokens allowed.

They can use RB16 gearbox & front and rear suspension for 'free' without needing tokens.

But... do they want to? RB16's suspension seems to be very tricky indeed, Red Bull may have outsmarted themselves with it...

It does not need to be a RB16, just a good AT-02 (A) or what ever. 5 tenths will do nicely

You make it sound so easy!

Even Red Bull could not find 5 tenths over last year's car (more like 0-1 tenth), and Mercedes only just found 5 tenths and McLaren similar. AlphaTauri's gain of 1.0sec is extraordinary.

It was tongue-in-cheek . If RbR need to reduce staff, the obvious place for them to go is AT.
Without cheating or copying they take knowledge with them. It would be absolute best case, but it is possible.

[Marti_EF3]

With the budget cap, RB will be like racing with 4 cars at more or less the same level. If there is a transfer of staff to AT, I assume that will be to up the performance of the team and have 2 more cars to help them. It may be a huge advantage that other teams won't have. Even if the car is not as fast as the RB, if it's into the top 5-7 regularly, it should help with strategies and stealing points to rivals too. So maybe they want to keep Gasly as an insurance for good results, and the other seat will be for young drivers from the Honda and RB junior academy

[mem]

Can we just keep in mind Albon lost a lot of his floor and was losing 1 second per lap all in the corners and guess which one is the most aero dependent...

Before we flame the kid, let's keep all the facts straight. He's done a stellar job with the subpar tools he has been given (including an unequal car for most of the races) and his gap to Max is now the smallest it's been all year. A couple of tenths. Not to mention he's only driven a lot of these tracks once and that was last year.

RB have one shocking weekend and the loons out there come running with flaming torches for Honda and Alex. It's embarrassing.. and that includes some of the clueless commentators (*cough Crotty cough*)

Even Hamilton with this "Gasly deserves that RB spot".... No disrespect to Gasly, but what a hypocrite, last year he was berating Gasly and Red Bull for how poor he was and Red Bull only have "one performing driver". Hamilton's trying to cause dissent in a rival team. In his own words, he should mind his own business.

RBR need to stick with Alex while they sort this car. They chose him for a reason and it looks like we've forgotten how impressive Alex has been and can be and now want Gasly back? Jesus. Calm down. The last thing RBR needs is more instability right now by changing drives.. again.

go watch fp1,2 , qualy and race he missed Parabolica continuously this is amateur stuff , he is driving in a TOP GUN.
Gasly also showed that he can't drive a hard car its better for him not going back ,Albon won't be driving RBR car in 2021 IMHO.

[mem]

“When they are on the podium, they say Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda, which never happens with Red Bull Racing at the moment. In that sense, the team is really important for us, those people, and that’s the reason also we are very glad.

it is very possible Honda will sponsor RBR next year and put a clause to have Yuki drive the second seat.
honestly i don't think it will be worse than Albon eventually.

[Wouter]

“When they are on the podium, they say Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda, which never happens with Red Bull Racing at the moment. In that sense, the team is really important for us, those people, and that’s the reason also we are very glad.

it is very possible Honda will sponsor RBR next year and put a clause to have Yuki drive the second seat.
honestly i don't think it will be worse than Albon eventually.

Are you serious? Yuki is a very good driver and he deserves a seat at SAT, but he needs more time in F1 before he belongs in a top team.