2020 Portuguese Grand Prix - Portimão, October 23 - 25

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falonso81 wrote:
24 Oct 2020, 21:17
First Lewis expresses his discomfort of Petrov appointed as an FIA stewart, then this happens. Creepy.
Yeah, wonder how Lewis feels about his comments now...

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Mogster wrote:
24 Oct 2020, 23:16
zibby43 wrote:
24 Oct 2020, 22:18
Scorpaguy wrote:
24 Oct 2020, 21:30
Bot has his issues, but he is no doubt a good qualifier. However, can he not comprehend simple math...opting for 1-timed lap of fuel so he can be optimal on weight rather than having optimal tire temps??? Somebody please tell him that if had opted for 2-timed laps of fuel, he would have been at optimal weight for the final run. Lewis had to be laughing that entire final lap.
Some of the over-the-top Bottas hate is mystifying to me.

He consistently makes it difficult for, and occasionally out-performs, the greatest qualifier in the history of Formula 1.

Only legitimate faults I can find for Bottas: 1) Occasionally, he has a qualifying session where he's about as far from Lewis as Albon is from Verstappen. 2) His tire management in the race (when not in clean air) is not as good/consistent as Lewis'.
Yes. People seem to have conveniently forgotten how highly regarded Bottas was 2014-2016. He beat Ricciardo when they met in junior single seaters. Bottas being useless is a convenient stick to beat Lewis with...
Agreed. Definitely think that last bit in bold is part of it, combined with the fact that people who really don't like Lewis are disappointed when Bottas can't beat him.

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ispano6 wrote:
25 Oct 2020, 00:33
falonso81 wrote:
24 Oct 2020, 21:17
First Lewis expresses his discomfort of Petrov appointed as an FIA stewart, then this happens. Creepy.
Yeah, wonder how Lewis feels about his comments now...
What does that have to do with anything?

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LM10 wrote:
24 Oct 2020, 20:09
MtthsMlw wrote:
24 Oct 2020, 19:58
LM10 wrote:
24 Oct 2020, 19:48
What a performance by Leclerc once again. He's in another league compared to his team mate, as confirmed by Vettel himself too.
The future certainly belongs to him and Russell as well as Verstappen.
Absolutely agree.
I am not sure (yet). Not to belittle their achievements or talent. But in a bad car you are judged on your moments of brilliance, while in a good car you are judged on your errors.

I think history shows that is a different metric.

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zibby43 wrote:
25 Oct 2020, 00:35
ispano6 wrote:
25 Oct 2020, 00:33
falonso81 wrote:
24 Oct 2020, 21:17
First Lewis expresses his discomfort of Petrov appointed as an FIA stewart, then this happens. Creepy.
Yeah, wonder how Lewis feels about his comments now...
What does that have to do with anything?
I dunno, but the individual who he felt uncomfortable about no longer is a steward of the race. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I'm sure Lewis' comments and t-shirts also made others uncomfortable. They didn't have anything to do with F1 either.

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I thought Lewis handled the situation really well, put in a difficult position by a question he was not expecting and had no knowledge of the background facts regarding the questionable comments attributed to Vitaly (and subsequently Vitaly has said he was misquoted or poorly translated and has stated he meant no offence to anybody)Lewis stated he was surprised that The FIA had hired someone who, if the comments were true, held such strong beliefs that are not aligned to the current "we race as one" philosophy.

I personally was more upset by the language used by Max after his practice session crash with Lance
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zibby43 wrote:
24 Oct 2020, 22:18
Scorpaguy wrote:
24 Oct 2020, 21:30
Bot has his issues, but he is no doubt a good qualifier. However, can he not comprehend simple math...opting for 1-timed lap of fuel so he can be optimal on weight rather than having optimal tire temps??? Somebody please tell him that if had opted for 2-timed laps of fuel, he would have been at optimal weight for the final run. Lewis had to be laughing that entire final lap.
Some of the over-the-top Bottas hate is mystifying to me.

He consistently makes it difficult for, and occasionally out-performs, the greatest qualifier in the history of Formula 1.

Only legitimate faults I can find for Bottas: 1) Occasionally, he has a qualifying session where he's about as far from Lewis as Albon is from Verstappen. 2) His tire management in the race (when not in clean air) is not as good/consistent as Lewis'.
...no hate here, just abject disappointment. The2 - laps call on the yellows was a no brainer. He was class of the field...could have vied for the win from pole. I think we all know his chances of passing Ham tomorrow, sans a poor start from Lewis.

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nevill3 wrote:
25 Oct 2020, 01:38
I thought Lewis handled the situation really well, put in a difficult position by a question he was not expecting and had no knowledge of the background facts regarding the questionable comments attributed to Vitaly (and subsequently Vitaly has said he was misquoted or poorly translated and has stated he meant no offence to anybody)Lewis stated he was surprised that The FIA had hired someone who, if the comments were true, held such strong beliefs that are not aligned to the current "we race as one" philosophy.

I personally was more upset by the language used by Max after his practice session crash with Lance
Yes exactly. The nasty name/slur he aimed at Lance was pretty awful and his totally unrepentant nature afterward makes a mockery of ‘we race as one’. I’m surprised a lot more hasn’t been made of it actually.

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Edax wrote:
25 Oct 2020, 00:46
LM10 wrote:
24 Oct 2020, 20:09
MtthsMlw wrote:
24 Oct 2020, 19:58


The future certainly belongs to him and Russell as well as Verstappen.
Absolutely agree.
I am not sure (yet). Not to belittle their achievements or talent. But in a bad car you are judged on your moments of brilliance, while in a good car you are judged on your errors.

I think history shows that is a different metric.
I wouldn't call the performances of Leclerc, Russell and Verstappen "moments of brilliance". They constantly are on a high level and make their team mates look pretty bad. I know the gap is not only up to driving skills, but still.

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El Scorchio wrote:
25 Oct 2020, 02:00
Yes exactly. The nasty name/slur he aimed at Lance was pretty awful and his totally unrepentant nature afterward makes a mockery of ‘we race as one’. I’m surprised a lot more hasn’t been made of it actually.
I only heard the bleeped explatives, anything you can translate here?
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TAG wrote:
25 Oct 2020, 02:41
El Scorchio wrote:
25 Oct 2020, 02:00
Yes exactly. The nasty name/slur he aimed at Lance was pretty awful and his totally unrepentant nature afterward makes a mockery of ‘we race as one’. I’m surprised a lot more hasn’t been made of it actually.
I only heard the bleeped explatives, anything you can translate here?
Nothing worthy of the hyperbolic theatrics.
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TAG wrote:
25 Oct 2020, 02:41
El Scorchio wrote:
25 Oct 2020, 02:00
Yes exactly. The nasty name/slur he aimed at Lance was pretty awful and his totally unrepentant nature afterward makes a mockery of ‘we race as one’. I’m surprised a lot more hasn’t been made of it actually.
I only heard the bleeped explatives, anything you can translate here?
I don’t really want to write the actual word on here but there are two meanings for it in the given context. One of which is a derogatory name for someone with Down’s syndrome and the other is implying his eyesight is bad using a racial epithet.

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godlameroso wrote:
25 Oct 2020, 02:46
Nothing worthy of the hyperbolic theatrics.
Apparently you didn't hear what he actually said!
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The Hamilton and Bottas fast lap comparison is up, and it's pretty interesting. If i had to single out one corner, I would say turn 13 is what cost Bottas Pole. I'd add if it hadn't been for Lewis's moment in turn 14, that gap might have been 0.2 to 0.25!

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Scorpaguy wrote:
25 Oct 2020, 01:41
zibby43 wrote:
24 Oct 2020, 22:18
Scorpaguy wrote:
24 Oct 2020, 21:30
Bot has his issues, but he is no doubt a good qualifier. However, can he not comprehend simple math...opting for 1-timed lap of fuel so he can be optimal on weight rather than having optimal tire temps??? Somebody please tell him that if had opted for 2-timed laps of fuel, he would have been at optimal weight for the final run. Lewis had to be laughing that entire final lap.
Some of the over-the-top Bottas hate is mystifying to me.

He consistently makes it difficult for, and occasionally out-performs, the greatest qualifier in the history of Formula 1.

Only legitimate faults I can find for Bottas: 1) Occasionally, he has a qualifying session where he's about as far from Lewis as Albon is from Verstappen. 2) His tire management in the race (when not in clean air) is not as good/consistent as Lewis'.
...no hate here, just abject disappointment. The2 - laps call on the yellows was a no brainer. He was class of the field...could have vied for the win from pole. I think we all know his chances of passing Ham tomorrow, sans a poor start from Lewis.
Oh I know. I was piggybacking off your comment. Apologies - wasn’t trying to imply you were in that category!