Mercedes W12

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In before tokens spent on "fire extinguisher" and "water drink system".

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F1Krof wrote:
24 Mar 2021, 20:23
dans79 wrote:
24 Mar 2021, 19:44
Still nothing even close to a shot of the rear of the car! Some decent close up though, if you slow the vide down to 1/4 speed

We'll be disappointing when we see Merc turning on Friday with the same care it had during testing. I'm not believing there will be anything of this sort.

It's probably just me trying to see things that are not there, but doesn't it look like the car has noticeably more rake in this video?

Probably just me.
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cheeRS wrote:
24 Mar 2021, 20:53
F1Krof wrote:
24 Mar 2021, 20:23
dans79 wrote:
24 Mar 2021, 19:44
Still nothing even close to a shot of the rear of the car! Some decent close up though, if you slow the vide down to 1/4 speed

We'll be disappointing when we see Merc turning on Friday with the same care it had during testing. I'm not believing there will be anything of this sort.

It's probably just me trying to see things that are not there, but doesn't it look like the car has noticeably more rake in this video?

Probably just me.
Yea I don't think this is an updated car at all. It looks like the video was filmed in the Silverstone garages (or wherever they always record the James Allison video every year)


This video was certainly recorded before the Bahrain testing even began

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dans79 wrote:
24 Mar 2021, 20:24
F1Krof wrote:
24 Mar 2021, 20:23
dans79 wrote:
24 Mar 2021, 19:44
Still nothing even close to a shot of the rear of the car! Some decent close up though, if you slow the vide down to 1/4 speed

We'll be disappointing when we see Merc turning on Friday with the same care it had during testing. I'm not believing there will be anything of this sort.
What did they spend their tokens on then? as I've mentioned before literally no one outside the team can figure out what they spent two tokens on.
Yeah I get you, but it doesn't mean that just because we're not seeing where they've spent the tokens that they haven't spent them and tried them on Bahrain.
Maybe they've spent them and tried them but still not to the benefit they have hoped.
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Engine installation:
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Compared to last year’s solution:
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I wonder if they did that for an aero or cg benefit!
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dans79 wrote:
25 Mar 2021, 09:42
I wonder if they did that for an aero or cg benefit!
Pretty impressive design evolution! What a great shot by Albert, too.

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Look the post of Aston Martin. Salastampaf1 take a big shoot from inside the garage during the test
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What's new? (except the intake plenum?) this Merc cooling layout is the same since... ages
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https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... -nachteil/

Update from AMuS.

Mercedes confirms that low rake is more affected by the new regs, and that they have worked harder on the floor than the high rake cars to try to compensate. Also, it seems that their internal estimates/targets were off, whether it's the W12 development underdelivering, or the quantum of downforce loss at the rear.

So all in all, the issues do seem genuine and do not indicate Mercedes was heavily sandbagging.

Twelve days later, the problems are circled, although not yet entirely clear. The Friday training session has to show how exactly the analysis by the Mercedes engineers and their reaction to it actually counts. According to Mercedes, the instability in the rear can be attributed to three factors: the aerodynamics, the new Pirelli tires and the realization that vehicle development over the winter did not quite meet expectations.
The angled cut of the underbody in front of the rear wheels and the prohibition of slots in the base plate in this area hit cars with a low angle of attack harder than their counterparts.
It is therefore no coincidence that Mercedes and Aston Martin have put more work into the front part of the underbody than the competition. Mercedes with a waveform of the floor, Aston Martin with two to three levels. Both should create wake vortices in order to seal the diffuser further back in this way and to artificially supplement the missing area. Apparently not yet with the desired result.
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