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atanatizante wrote:
16 Apr 2021, 12:58
In FP 1 they run the old diffuser or they split the job between the drivers?
Or maybe they`ll run it in FP2?

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atanatizante wrote:
16 Apr 2021, 12:58
In FP 1 they run the old diffuser or they split the job between the drivers?
Or maybe they`ll run it in FP2?

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DarthPlagueisTheVise wrote:
16 Apr 2021, 13:48
atanatizante wrote:
16 Apr 2021, 12:58
In FP 1 they run the old diffuser or they split the job between the drivers?
Or maybe they`ll run it in FP2?

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Shrieker wrote:
16 Apr 2021, 12:34
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16 Apr 2021, 12:23
I don't think so, cut down RW for Bottas however, doesn't extend all the way up.
Looked as if the 'waves' were gone, but maybe I was wrong.
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Waves still there on both cars, Bottas with a trimmed rear wing.

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Sevach wrote:
16 Apr 2021, 14:28
Shrieker wrote:
16 Apr 2021, 12:34
Sevach wrote:
16 Apr 2021, 12:23
I don't think so, cut down RW for Bottas however, doesn't extend all the way up.
Looked as if the 'waves' were gone, but maybe I was wrong.
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Waves still there on both cars, Bottas with a trimmed rear wing.
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It seems they`ve raised the rake a little bit:

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A poor view maybe of the new diffuser ...

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And finally, a great shot from above the pits:

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Very very impressive innovations from the Mercedes team I have to say
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They have probably gone as high as they can rake wise to help with the buffeting. I assume at a certain point it doesn't work anymore so those gains need to be found from the floor itself.
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ryaan2904 wrote:
16 Apr 2021, 17:14


Very very impressive innovations from the Mercedes team I have to say
Bottas first and Hamilton second after Friday's free practice at Imola: Mercedes seems to have found the way back to competitiveness after the difficulties that emerged in Bahrain. On the W12 there are some new features in the diffuser: in the central part of the extractor, two ducts have been opened that were closed at Sakhier. Changes have also been made to the vertical drifts and to the flaps on the sides of the deformable structure. Do they have to start worrying in Red Bull?

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Valtteri Bottas explained yesterday that he had done a lot of development work on the W12 in the simulator and that the Brackley car has a high potential that Mercedes was unable to exploit in Bahrain, but that is coming out rather strongly in Imola. Two black arrows in front of everyone after Friday's free practice prove this.

The world champion team showed up at Imola with some technical innovations that serve to make the car less unstable at the rear in an attempt to reduce the gap of competitiveness on the Red Bull RB16B that appeared in great form in the opening race.

The engineers led by James Allison, in fact, have worked mainly on the rear diffuser that has been modified according to the indications that have emerged from the difficult collective tests held in Sakhir.

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The diffuser of the Mercedes W12 with the new larger bulkhead.

The last vertical bulkhead of the second row of flow diverters has changed shape: its surface has increased because in Bahrain there was a noticeable step in the upper trailing edge. Recall that the rules have imposed a rise of these elements from the reference plane of 50 mm, so the teams are working in the hope of recovering the lost load.

But the most important novelty is to be found further down and can be observed in the central part of the extractor: the W12, in fact, shows two arched air vents that open just above the wooden skid.

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Mercedes W12: here is the Bahrain diffuser with the two carbon covers to the channels in the central extractor.

The unusual shape in that area of the extractor had already been noticed in the opening race in Bahrain, but in Sakhir two carbon "eyelids" had been applied to the air outlets and, therefore, the solution had not attracted particular attention, while now it seems clear that the Mercedes technicians have managed to open up a flow that is probably fed by channels dug into the bottom at the sides of the transmission.

This is a new concept that will certainly attract the attention of the other teams and that will not be easy to copy in a hurry.

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On the Mercedes W12, the flaps on the sides of the deformable structure have been tilted downwards.

On the W12 we can also see the inversion of the three small flaps on the sides of the deformable gearbox structure: last year they directed the flows upwards, while this year they are curved downwards, showing how the development of the rear end has changed in order to regain the downforce lost in 2020.

The Mercedes that has landed in Europe seems to have rediscovered its world-class form...

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If it's part of the gearbox chasing, it won't be copyable at all, as that would require tokens!

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16 Apr 2021, 17:24
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Mercedes W12: here is the Bahrain diffuser with the two carbon covers to the channels in the central extractor.

The unusual shape in that area of the extractor had already been noticed in the opening race in Bahrain, but in Sakhir two carbon "eyelids" had been applied to the air outlets and, therefore, the solution had not attracted particular attention, while now it seems clear that the Mercedes technicians have managed to open up a flow that is probably fed by channels dug into the bottom at the sides of the transmission.

This is a new concept that will certainly attract the attention of the other teams and that will not be easy to copy in a hurry.


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from the latest technical regulations.
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So now it’s finally clear where Mercedes spent their tokens on.

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it seems clear that the Mercedes technicians have managed to open up a flow that is probably fed by channels dug into the bottom at the sides of the transmission
Sorry but I really can't see what they're claiming. We saw this diffuser profile in testing. It just looks like the make up of the titanium inserts they use for the little vortex generators. It seems a big leap to claim it's fed by channels from the gearbox casing.

(You can see the metal insert they use for the vortex generators on most cars, for example the RB from today: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzGNj2GXMAQM2pw?format=jpg and old image https://i.imgur.com/njuRi6h.jpeg)
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Owen.C93 wrote:
16 Apr 2021, 18:03
Sorry but I really can't see what they're claiming. We saw this diffuser profile in testing. It just looks like the make up of the titanium inserts they use for the little vortex generators. It seems a big leap to claim it's fed by channels from the gearbox casing.
take a look at these 2 photos.

the are saying covered in Bahrain.
https://cdn-4.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... etai-1.jpg

open in Imola
https://cdn-2.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... etai-1.jpg
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dans79 wrote:
16 Apr 2021, 18:08
Owen.C93 wrote:
16 Apr 2021, 18:03
Sorry but I really can't see what they're claiming. We saw this diffuser profile in testing. It just looks like the make up of the titanium inserts they use for the little vortex generators. It seems a big leap to claim it's fed by channels from the gearbox casing.
take a look at these 2 photos.

the are saying covered in Bahrain.
https://cdn-4.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... etai-1.jpg

open in Imola
https://cdn-2.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... etai-1.jpg
Ok. Just looks like a different colour/lighting. They are clearly still closed.
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