Problems for Mclaren with development

[axle]

This thread is bollox, it really annoys me when people start threads like this blaming people left right and centre especially the current favourite punchbags (McLaren and Lewis).

You know those banks of telemetry, the genius' (and I mean that) back at HQ and in the background analysing it...they are the sorts of people that are able to formulate incredible computations in their heads and work out dynamics/physics etc.

Those people are seeing what the car is doing and working on a way to optomise it. It simply isn't true that the driver is solely responsible. The driver and chief engineer are important players but these cars are so on the limit that it's no longer down to just them as the price of failure is too high.

As was said many a time last year, you win or lose, as a team.

[jon-mullen]

I wouldn't say its his fault, but it must be hard on him. Really he got put in the best (or one of the top 3) cars in the 2007 and 2008 seasons and I wouldn't be surprised if he's a little flustered at being off the pace.

Those people are seeing what the car is doing and working on a way to optomise it. It simply isn't true that the driver is solely responsible. The driver and chief engineer are important players but these cars are so on the limit that it's no longer down to just them as the price of failure is too high.

This isn't like going to the moon, though. There's 9 other teams working with this Formula and apparently 7 or 8 of them are logging faster lap times. It does demand an explanation in my book. Not necessarily blame, but an explanation.

[countersteer]

What teams did the new wind tunnel regulations (limiting scale to 60% and speed to 50 m/s) affect? Did McLaren (and possibly others)operate beyond these restrictions in the past? Might the new restrictions introduce some variability in the calibration that were unforseen?

(Been thinking about this since the thread kicked off for the new restrictions and thought this might have something to do with McLaren's current issue.)

[axle]

I wouldn't say its his fault, but it must be hard on him. Really he got put in the best (or one of the top 3) cars in the 2007 and 2008 seasons and I wouldn't be surprised if he's a little flustered at being off the pace.

Those people are seeing what the car is doing and working on a way to optomise it. It simply isn't true that the driver is solely responsible. The driver and chief engineer are important players but these cars are so on the limit that it's no longer down to just them as the price of failure is too high.

This isn't like going to the moon, though. There's 9 other teams working with this Formula and apparently 7 or 8 of them are logging faster lap times. It does demand an explanation in my book. Not necessarily blame, but an explanation.

Sorry, I can't see how any one can *demand* an explanation...if McLaren offer one then great but it really is their perogative.

[Project Four]

You do not win any trophies, medals, or cups for the winter testing season, so to a large degree it does not matter what times are set or who is the faster or who is the slowest.

As the more experienced members on the forum have pointed out we do not know what test program, what set-up, how much fuel, what weight the cars are running, or whether the car is running on worn tires. All will become apparent once the European season starts in earnest.

So be careful, or you may end up with egg on your face….

[Ciro Pabón]

Look, I don't like Hamilton style, that's true and you know it.

On the other hand, I've heard he doesn't know how to setup a car and it also must be true: I read it in an Internet forum.

Yes, I might end with an egg in my face, but, up to this moment (sandbagging, sandbagging) it seems a flock of hens is on top of the McLaren car.

[sdimm]

This thread is bollox, it really annoys me when people start threads like this blaming people left right and centre especially the current favourite punchbags (McLaren and Lewis).

You know those banks of telemetry, the genius' (and I mean that) back at HQ and in the background analysing it...they are the sorts of people that are able to formulate incredible computations in their heads and work out dynamics/physics etc.

Those people are seeing what the car is doing and working on a way to optomise it. It simply isn't true that the driver is solely responsible. The driver and chief engineer are important players but these cars are so on the limit that it's no longer down to just them as the price of failure is too high.

As was said many a time last year, you win or lose, as a team.

Excuse me but have I blamed anyone? :S It´s a thread about the difference between a driver being put in a great car from the beginning or a driver having to fight with his car and TOGETHER with the engineers and raceengineer work it out. And since Hamiltons car, the Mclaren, is obviously having difficulties I though it would be nice to discuss this :/

[axle]

This thread is bollox, it really annoys me when people start threads like this blaming people left right and centre especially the current favourite punchbags (McLaren and Lewis).

You know those banks of telemetry, the genius' (and I mean that) back at HQ and in the background analysing it...they are the sorts of people that are able to formulate incredible computations in their heads and work out dynamics/physics etc.

Those people are seeing what the car is doing and working on a way to optomise it. It simply isn't true that the driver is solely responsible. The driver and chief engineer are important players but these cars are so on the limit that it's no longer down to just them as the price of failure is too high.

As was said many a time last year, you win or lose, as a team.

Excuse me but have I blamed anyone? :S It´s a thread about the difference between a driver being put in a great car from the beginning or a driver having to fight with his car and TOGETHER with the engineers and raceengineer work it out. And since Hamiltons car, the Mclaren, is obviously having difficulties I though it would be nice to discuss this :/

If you wern't being predjuditial you'd include Heikki...as he drives a McLaren too.

[sdimm]

This thread is bollox, it really annoys me when people start threads like this blaming people left right and centre especially the current favourite punchbags (McLaren and Lewis).

You know those banks of telemetry, the genius' (and I mean that) back at HQ and in the background analysing it...they are the sorts of people that are able to formulate incredible computations in their heads and work out dynamics/physics etc.

Those people are seeing what the car is doing and working on a way to optomise it. It simply isn't true that the driver is solely responsible. The driver and chief engineer are important players but these cars are so on the limit that it's no longer down to just them as the price of failure is too high.

As was said many a time last year, you win or lose, as a team.

Excuse me but have I blamed anyone? :S It´s a thread about the difference between a driver being put in a great car from the beginning or a driver having to fight with his car and TOGETHER with the engineers and raceengineer work it out. And since Hamiltons car, the Mclaren, is obviously having difficulties I though it would be nice to discuss this :/

If you wern't being predjuditial you'd include Heikki...as he drives a McLaren too.

True, I said Hamilton because he is the top guy there and I think he´ll be the one to fight in top with a good car, not Heikki.
But as always, we don´t know yet

[WhiteBlue]

I would love to see Button beat Hamilton in Australia. Then the cat will be loose in the silver hen house.

[Moanlower]

I would love to see Button beat Hamilton in Australia. Then the cat will be loose in the silver hen house.

Or will Lewis be the monkey in the back?

[ben_watkins]

I agree, this is a BS thread..

McLaren have one of the best test drivers in Pedro. They also have an amazing group of people working hard on the car. Lewis wasn't WDC by accident. He missed it by one point 2 years ago and won it by 1 point last year.. So he's plenty albe to set up a car how he likes it and also to test and give feedback. He's done it all his life from karts to F1..

This year is a major reset for all the teams, so why not just enjoy the wait until we're under racing conditions in Australia?

[Conceptual]

As long as it's a Button, Barrichello, Vettel podium, I am a happy man!

[Kester]

What teams did the new wind tunnel regulations (limiting scale to 60% and speed to 50 m/s) affect? Did McLaren (and possibly others)operate beyond these restrictions in the past? Might the new restrictions introduce some variability in the calibration that were unforseen?

For reference 50m/s is just over 100mph, now I don't know if scaling down a model to 60% of full size has an effect on the speed or not, but if not I'm pretty certain their wind tunnels would have been used above that speed.

[djos]

As long as it's a Button, Barrichello, Vettel podium, I am a happy man!

I'll add Webber to that list too, Hopefully they can all take it in turns on the various steps of the podioum.