Problems for Mclaren with development

[sdimm]

So, are Mclaren having these problems because they don´t have an experienced driver or what? Remember that as far as I know the 08 car was similar to the 07 when they had Alonso, now though, It´s all new and Hamilton have not really made a car brilliant as it already way when he came to Mclaren in 07.

[kilcoo316]

So, are Mclaren having these problems because they don´t have an experienced driver or what?

No.


They are having these problems because their design tools are out of whack. I suspect it may be tyre interactions* that is putting them out of whack, but that remains to be seen.


*a la Renault when Michelin quit.


(That doesn't mean Hamilton's lack of experience is not a concern, because clearly with testing so restricted this year, it is - particularly if on-track feedback is much more critical to development due to a loss of confidence in the design tools at the factory)

[hulmerist]

yeah, supposedly the computer data doesn't match up to what's happening on track

you can't blame hamilton, he can't drive the thing and come into the pits and draw out a new rear wing on his etch-a-sketch can he?

he can only communicate whether the developments and changes they're making are actually going in the right direction which i'm sure he is doing

[Callum]

Anyway there are three drivers, Hekki, Hamilton and the very experianced Pedro!

[sdimm]

yeah, supposedly the computer data doesn't match up to what's happening on track

you can't blame hamilton, he can't drive the thing and come into the pits and draw out a new rear wing on his etch-a-sketch can he?

he can only communicate whether the developments and changes they're making are actually going in the right direction which i'm sure he is doing

That´s more the question I wanted to ask everyone Is it Hamiltons feedback or the team?

[kilcoo316]

That´s more the question I wanted to ask everyone Is it Hamiltons feedback or the team?

The team have made the original cock-up, but Hamilton (and Kovalainen's) lack of experience will compound the problem IMO.

[wesley123]

really. hamiltons lack of experience shouldnt be a problem.

They have De la Rosa too, who does alot of work with the development.

If hamiltons lack was a problem, why this didn't show up last year? That season they started with a handicap of not being able of using the parts they were developing on(they stopped developing cuz of the stepneygate scandal)

[kilcoo316]

really. hamiltons lack of experience shouldnt be a problem.

They have De la Rosa too, who does alot of work with the development.

With limited testing miles, do you want anyone but your two race drivers in the seat?

This did not apply last year.

[axle]

really. hamiltons lack of experience shouldnt be a problem.

They have De la Rosa too, who does alot of work with the development.

If hamiltons lack was a problem, why this didn't show up last year? That season they started with a handicap of not being able of using the parts they were developing on(they stopped developing cuz of the stepneygate scandal)

And of course when Alonso wasn't setting up Lewis's car anymore (if you believe some of the hater's).

I can see a good argument for Heikki being replaced with a more technical person, but you wouldn't replace Lewis as his pace when the car is right is just too good.

[sdimm]

I can see a good argument for Heikki being replaced with a more technical person, but you wouldn't replace Lewis as his pace when the car is right is just too good.

Yes, that´s true. But if Mclaren comes to Melbourne and the first few racers and are of the pace amongst the top runners, what happens then to Hamilton?
He´ll probably be in the top anyway but still.

[natef1]

Yeah.. Why just blame Hamilton? Purely because he is Hamilton? Sounds like the kind of thing an Alonso-lover-Hamilton-hater would say. I'm sure he, Heikki and PDLR are all doing their best to get a good setup out of the car.

[wesley123]

I still believe they dont have any problems with the car, they dont try enough parts for that, if they had real probems there would have been alot of different rear end parts, wich there isnt.

They have 2 different rear wings and another floor, but toyota did the same at the front, but they ont have problems either

[bgroovers]

McLaren are not struggling for pace with rear end instability caused by their rear wing/diffuser not working because of Lewis Hamilton! McLaren are struggling because their design team have made a cock up or the computer simulation work has given duff results.
Whether LH and HK are the best development drivers is another question but i dont believe that they have taken McLaren down the wrong path and PdL has been in the car a fair bit this winter.
I also dont believe that Alonso brought 0.7/8 seconds to McL when he came from Renault either. He may however be any excellent developer but to say some of the guff that been quoted about Hamilton being out of his depth without Fernando is utting rubbish.
I hope that they get it fixed but its great to see a changing of the guard. Never been a Button fan but i just backed Brawn GP as constructor winners!

[sdimm]

McLaren are not struggling for pace with rear end instability caused by their rear wing/diffuser not working because of Lewis Hamilton! McLaren are struggling because their design team have made a cock up or the computer simulation work has given duff results.
Whether LH and HK are the best development drivers is another question but i dont believe that they have taken McLaren down the wrong path and PdL has been in the car a fair bit this winter.
I also dont believe that Alonso brought 0.7/8 seconds to McL when he came from Renault either. He may however be any excellent developer but to say some of the guff that been quoted about Hamilton being out of his depth without Fernando is utting rubbish.
I hope that they get it fixed but its great to see a changing of the guard. Never been a Button fan but i just backed Brawn GP as constructor winners!

Good point but it will be intressting to see how they bounce back IF they are having trouble.

Remember also that a new part may give a few tenths but a setup which is off can loose you half a second.

[Afterburner]

According to latest information Mclaren are having clear diffciculties with the rear and they already threw to garbage 2 rear wings that didn't work, Norbert Haugh already said that this has to be completely fixed because of testing ban threw the season and that's why they aren't making good lap times, for now it's their latest problem.