2021 Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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godlameroso wrote:
19 May 2021, 15:57
You don't understand, and you're burying yourself. Air has momentum, in physics there are these principles called inertia, and conservation of angular momentum, think a bit friend.
My degree is in computational physics, I literally went to college to learn how to mathematically model and simulate this type of thing, I'm not the one burying myself.

and I'm out before this becomes even more off topic.
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I might be wrong, but I think that Godlameroso is thinking along those lines.
Read this article;
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/scie ... zing-trick

If bird can save some energy by flying in V, maybe car following can to?
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cirrusflyer wrote:
19 May 2021, 16:17
I might be wrong, but I think that Godlameroso is thinking along those lines.
Read this article;
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/scie ... zing-trick
I often draw inspiration from nature, to solve engineering problems and so far nature has a 100% success rate.
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godlameroso wrote:
19 May 2021, 16:19
cirrusflyer wrote:
19 May 2021, 16:17
I might be wrong, but I think that Godlameroso is thinking along those lines.
Read this article;
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/scie ... zing-trick
I often draw inspiration from nature, to solve engineering problems and so far nature has a 100% success rate.
I agree! 😀
If flying were the language of man, soaring would be its poetry.
It's all about technology!
When you go fast, do not hesitate to go faster!

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The Power of Dreams!

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Wouter wrote:
19 May 2021, 21:20
Everytime I watch something like this I'm reminded how sad it makes me that I pay for F1 TV and get Ted and Crofty for my money.

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Right on. Glad Max is taking it like a champ. Hope he stays that way.

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godlameroso wrote:
19 May 2021, 15:57
dans79 wrote:
19 May 2021, 15:44
godlameroso wrote:
19 May 2021, 15:32
Sorry but you don't understand what I'm saying



Look how stable the Red Bull is until it gets too close.
actually , I understand aerodynamics pretty well. You seemed to have glanced over Chilvers important qualifier.
Dirty air on the other hand occurs in the corners, where the cars are already in a grip limited condition. The lead car
In china 2018, Max was not grip limited. He had plenty of grip, and if lewis hadn't understerred out into Max's path, he would have powered around the outside like Lewis wasn't even there.
You don't understand, and you're burying yourself. Air has momentum, in physics there are these principles called inertia, and conservation of angular momentum, think a bit friend. If the car is turning left(like it is in the video), then the air is going to the right, Verstappen's car is on the right, where the air is being pushed because Hamilton's car is under yaw. If the leading car's wake reduces downforce, Verstappen should not be able to follow so closely, and yet video evidence shows he could. Until he got too close to Hamilton's car and he got a oversteer snap. Why would the car get an oversteer snap if the wake lowers downforce at the front of the car first?
Max had a significant tire advantage, that's why even with less downforce he could folow this closely.
It could be an oversteer snap due loss of downforce, but it could just as easy be a lack grip due to a dirty surcface just outside the racing line, or a shock steering movement for not wanting to collide with Lewis, as at that time they were on a collision course.

Furthermore I don't understand what you're trying to prove with this video. Let's say you were right about the loss of downforce at that point, how does that reflect on the 'aerial situation' one second behind the car? The influence of car's shape behinds the bargeboards dictates the shape of the turbulence and wake behind the car.

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Max is a bit disappointed:

https://verstappen.com/en/article/4376

On the radio he was complaining quite a lot about lack of front grip. Not yet found a good setup?

https://verstappen.com/nl/article/12062/

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Toe out in the rear ~2mm to make the medium tires awesome again.
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Redbull looks like third best team on a track were pu performance is not that important really ,were are you Marko maybe you should full charge those batteries it may help you leapfrog the Ferraris

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Do you think Red Bull will just turn it on tomorrow and suddenly shoot to the top of the timesheets?

Or is it a slightly bigger performance issue than it seems?

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Mansell89 wrote:
21 May 2021, 12:22
Do you think Red Bull will just turn it on tomorrow and suddenly shoot to the top of the timesheets?

Or is it a slightly bigger performance issue than it seems?
Verstappen will be right where he normally is. Perez is the question mark.