Problems for Mclaren with development

[vall]

I am not convinced. His first reaction 0.1s after the crash was "something wrong with the car". I doubt he had time to think of it and say that to hide his mistake. If you know you made a mistake, you --- up. Wasn't that race when Vettel hit him from the back, anyway? Could be that

Do I need to remind you of some of Alonso's exploits when he was a rookie, like driving into a waved yellow zone in the rain at Interlagos, colliding with crash debris, and being lucky to get out the car in one piece. Incredibly stupid and dangeous thing to do.

It was not him fault. They should have told him over the radio. From the yellows alone, it could be anything. But, look what Hamilton did China and Brazil 2007, this is rarely seen stupidity.

BTW< we should have a tread to chat about drivers, shouldn't we?

[bmw fanatic]

i think the MCmercs lack of pace is due to an engineering error rather than a driver problem. i dont think fernando (though extremeley capable) could bring 7 tenths of a second to this mclaren. and as weve seen last year lewis and mcmerc are quiete capable of setting it up for pole position and the occasional win without the spaniards help. and the question of solving the problem will take a while as the problem is obviously intricateley connected to the fundamental design of the car making it hard to fix without drastically changing the body aerodynamically and mechanichally causing a real headache for he guys at the factory. but mclaren have some of the smartest boffins out their scratcing their heads and i think that they're more than capable of pulling it off eventually. i think that lewis will re-emerge and go hunting for the title by mid season.

[Metar]

I am not convinced. His first reaction 0.1s after the crash was "something wrong with the car". I doubt he had time to think of it and say that to hide his mistake. If you know you made a mistake, you --- up. Wasn't that race when Vettel hit him from the back, anyway? Could be that.

Actually, that's exactly what I suspect it is. Vettel's earlier bump caused a nasty bit of floor to almost break off - but not quite, leaving it handing and flapping just mere centimeters ahead of the right-rear wheel. It's quite possible (and logical) that this piece broke off heading into the corner, and lodged between the wheel and the surface - essentially costing him the grip of his right-rear wheel.

[vall]

Actually, that's exactly what I suspect it is. Vettel's earlier bump caused a nasty bit of floor to almost break off - but not quite, leaving it handing and flapping just mere centimeters ahead of the right-rear wheel. It's quite possible (and logical) that this piece broke off heading into the corner, and lodged between the wheel and the surface - essentially costing him the grip of his right-rear wheel.

Is there any Youtube video or picture of that part after the contact with Vettel? I am curious to see it?

[Metar]

I recall seeing it, and the German commentators mentioning that it could mean trouble - but I don't think I've seen a YouTube of it.

[bonjon1979]

Thanks for posting this longer video. I have seen the other one where Alonos says something when wrong with the car:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAtn-0KpWvs[/youtube]

From the long video you posted, I see no error from Alsono. It looks like the car gets a kick from the back! This kind of spinning of the rare of the car happens when you loose is in the middle of a turn or so. He was driving almost straight at that moment ....

It was actually pretty clear when I saw it that he was searching off the racing line for more grip as we have seen Alonso do many times and he wet into a puddle and lost it into the wall... there was no problem with the car, other than the driver, he was losing time to Hamilton and was searching for some speed off line and it came back to bite him. If you ever drive on throttle into a puddle you know the feeling Fa had when that happened.

Spot on Islamatron, it was very, very wet, he got on the throttle in the puddle, goodnight Vienna. Often the simplest solutions are the correct ones. Occam's razor and all that. This longer video gives you a better idea of what Alonso's doing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsMoktU88GE

[aguri]

I am not convinced. His first reaction 0.1s after the crash was "something wrong with the car". I doubt he had time to think of it and say that to hide his mistake. If you know you made a mistake, you --- up. Wasn't that race when Vettel hit him from the back, anyway? Could be that

The video is a fake. "something is wrong with the car" he said in Montreal 2005 after a wall contact causing a broken rear suspenion.
At 0:15 you see the accident:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr9BiCtXZSc[/youtube]

[vall]

The video is a fake. "something is wrong with the car" he said in Montreal 2005 after a wall contact causing a broken rear suspenion.
At 0:15 you see the accident:

how do you exactly know that it is fake?

[aguri]

I know that he said this in Montreal and not after his Fuji accident.
Listen carefully to his engine in the background and compare it with the longer video with the fuji crash. He said "something is wrong with the car" with his engine still running at high rpm while in the Fuji video the rpm is low.

[vall]

I know that he said this in Montreal and not after his Fuji accident.
Listen carefully to his engine in the background and compare it with the longer video with the fuji crash. He said "something is wrong with the car" with his engine still running at high rpm while in the Fuji video the rpm is low.

something also bothered and I also remember hearing this phase before. Now I listened to both videos and indeed it seems that somebody might have faked it. On the "fake" video there "team radio" text, while there is no. On the video without the team radio there is high-rev engine sound, but it appears after the camera moves on the mechanics. On the fake one, the high-rev engine cold be heard before while sayong "something wrong......". This certainly does not prove he made a mistake, but who knows.

[aguri]

This certainly does not prove he made a mistake, but who knows.

In this case aquaplaning could be a plausible reason what would mean it is neither his nor the teams fault.

[CHT]

I think it could partly be due to the sudden termination of Mclaren chief designer Mike Coughlan

[Kester]

You guys do realise radio transmissions are delayed when played on tv don't you?

[vall]

yes, we do. but when they play the radio transmissions they stop the other sound, so you can only hear the driver and the engine of his car.