2021 Styrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, June 25 - 27

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Fulcrum wrote:
26 Jun 2021, 16:19
Norris is doing to Ricciardo what Ricciardo did to Vettel.
Vettel wasn't that much slower in pure pace, racecraft, tire management were bigger factors.

Kinda shocking to see Danny still this much off the pace as we are about to reach mid-season.

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Poor Danny boy. He's smiling through the disappointment. Sigh.
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Sevach wrote:
26 Jun 2021, 16:29
Fulcrum wrote:
26 Jun 2021, 16:19
Norris is doing to Ricciardo what Ricciardo did to Vettel.
Vettel wasn't that much slower in pure pace, racecraft, tire management were bigger factors.

Kinda shocking to see Danny still this much off the pace as we are about to reach mid-season.
Just shows how good Alonso is. 2 years off and he's consistently beating Ocon after just 4 races.

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It also shows how good Lando is. Somewhere someone was saying we might see Russell at Mclaren next year. I don’t think so, I really hope Ricciardo will come good, but that would be a prospect also. They were both super quick in Formula 2 as well. Russell impressed me more back then, but his team was also better imho.

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The thing is, RIC didn’t unlearn how to drive a racing car fast by switching from Renault to McLaren. He’s getting a spanking no doubt, but it’s got to be a car specific problem.

The VET/Redbull comparison to RICs current situation is very apt though.
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Sevach wrote:
26 Jun 2021, 16:29
Fulcrum wrote:
26 Jun 2021, 16:19
Norris is doing to Ricciardo what Ricciardo did to Vettel.
Vettel wasn't that much slower in pure pace, racecraft, tire management were bigger factors.

Kinda shocking to see Danny still this much off the pace as we are about to reach mid-season.
There have been a lot of stories in the official/accredited F1 press concerning the 'unique' driving characteristics of the McLaren and how this has hampered Ricciardo.

I'm beginning to wonder if that has been used as a polite excuse for his lack of pace. Its beginning to wear thin now.

Even the "return" at Paul Ricard was a bit of a damp squib. Norris absolutely smashed him on race pace. If Norris hadn't had such a dreadful start, Ricciardo would have finished 30 seconds behind.

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Sieper wrote:
26 Jun 2021, 16:38
It also shows how good Lando is. Somewhere someone was saying we might see Russell at Mclaren next year. I don’t think so, I really hope Ricciardo will come good, but that would be a prospect also. They were both super quick in Formula 2 as well. Russell impressed me more back then, but his team was also better imho.
I think Russell deserves more credit even now. The guy just out-qualified a Ferrari, an Aston Martin and a McLaren, in a Williams. And some fans of a certain driver still don't think he is qualified enough for the 2nd Mercedes seat.

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Congratz to NOR for his time in qualy!
No doubt he`s a very quick driver but his time (0,053 sec slower than HAM) is down to his skills, setup his car more towards the qualy or Merc`s car is setup more toward the race and maybe a wet race one?

Now regarding VER, he`s top speed (318km/h) is 3km/h higher than both Merc` cars and even in these conditions he was fastest in S2 both time-wise (0.4 hundred to BOT to 1,3 tenths to HAM) and speed trap (1-2km/h faster). This trend of higher top speed that we saw in the last 3 races demonstrates that RB has now the highest DF which gives them the confidence to run a skinner RW ... or as HAM said these 2021 rules hurt them the most!
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Natalie getting on Paul's nerves!
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So can we saw that with this short track, with 3 straights and just 6 real corners, RB with their higher top speed is gaining some 2,5 tenths and that`s something bigger than those 3,5 tenths they were gaining at Paul Ricard ...
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atanatizante wrote:
26 Jun 2021, 16:51
So can we saw that with this short track, with 3 straights and just 6 real corners, RB with their higher top speed is gaining some 2,5 tenths and that`s something bigger than those 3,5 tenths they were gaining at Paul Ricard ...
The merc had a lot of understeer, so either they couldn't get the tires into the proper operating window, or they are still skewing their setup towards the race!
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
26 Jun 2021, 16:50
Natalie getting on Paul's nerves!
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What wouldn't I give to anyone who's willing to get on Di Resta's nerves?

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dans79 wrote:
26 Jun 2021, 16:56
atanatizante wrote:
26 Jun 2021, 16:51
So can we saw that with this short track, with 3 straights and just 6 real corners, RB with their higher top speed is gaining some 2,5 tenths and that`s something bigger than those 3,5 tenths they were gaining at Paul Ricard ...
The merc had a lot of understeer, so either they couldn't get the tires into the proper operating window, or they are still skewing their setup towards the race!
This understeer is down to driver or just setup which is aimed to better preserve the rears? So they are looking again for an 1 stop race, hence they`re starting on medium tyres ... so it`s basicaly a M-H race for tomorrow isn`t it? and both RB and Merc didn`t bet on a wet race?
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siskue2005 wrote:
26 Jun 2021, 13:57
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26 Jun 2021, 13:39
dans79 wrote:
26 Jun 2021, 13:33
I just went back and watched Max's onboard (f1tv has the replay up), and he wasn't hindered by either Latifi or Lewis.

He passed Latifi on the strait (and might have even gotten a little help).

Lewis was well in front through turn 4, and in front and well off the racing line entering turn 5.
Seems like VER doing a Michael Jordan “I took it personally”. He needs to motivate himself and is using any such incident even the non-existent/minor ones to basically anger himself and channel that into performance.
It feels like Max is feeling the heat of the championship... to get worked up like that for a an incident were Lewis was on the outside of turn 7, which practically didn't impede him at all, just Max getting spooked by a car being there.. like Ant Davidson said Lewis can't disappear of the track to the nearest air filed when Max comes
Time to calm down and self reflect for a bit, don’t you think? Or would you accuse other drivers of "feeling the heat" as well for their multiple lock-ups in quali?

Seems to me that the mind games are affecting the fans more than the drivers.

Anyways...looking forward to another epic battle between VER and HAM tomorrow. This season will be an all time classic.

Kudos to Russell again. The guy seems to be the real deal. Norris and Gasly impressive again.

Everything is possible tomorrow...

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atanatizante wrote:
26 Jun 2021, 17:04
so it`s basicaly a M-H race for tomorrow isn`t it? and both RB and Merc didn`t bet on wet race?
Perez starts on the softs, so he's either going to have to go really slow in his first stint, or two stop.
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