2021 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, July 02 - 04

[214270]

LEC 62 points, SAI 60 points.

That’s going to be quite interesting to observe moving forward.

[JPower]

Do we know any specifics about the yellow flag investigation? There is a possibility that anyone who lifted might jump up a place right?

Everyone in that Sainz to Gasly train got called in so I don't think there will be any movement there.

[Sevach]

Do we know any specifics about the yellow flag investigation? There is a possibility that anyone who lifted might jump up a place right?

Everyone in that Sainz to Gasly train got called in so I don't think there will be any movement there.

I wonder if they'll say "too many people needed to be punished so no one will be punished" this time too.

[JPower]

Do we know any specifics about the yellow flag investigation? There is a possibility that anyone who lifted might jump up a place right?

Everyone in that Sainz to Gasly train got called in so I don't think there will be any movement there.

I wonder if they'll say "too many people needed to be punished so no one will be punished" this time too.

I think they'll all get penalized to be honest.

[El Scorchio]

Everyone in that Sainz to Gasly train got called in so I don't think there will be any movement there.

I wonder if they'll say "too many people needed to be punished so no one will be punished" this time too.

I think they'll all get penalized to be honest.

I don’t really know what any of the gaps are, but any chance Russell could still get a point?

Straws. Clutching. At.

[the EDGE]

The thing is these cars were way-off track spinning i n the gravel. Why on earth were there double waves yellows anyway

They mean slow down & be prepared to stop… for what? There was no blockage on the track

[Wouter]

This is really nice. "Oh no, not Fernando." "Oh no, not George."

[JRindt]

I agree with racing clean… But, no one can say that Lando’s move was dirty… That was Perez trying to make a move that wasn’t going to stick.


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The way to decide if it is gonna stick or not is give the room and then win the run to the next turn.
I hope they start being consistent with that going forward, this thing is such a big deal because sometimes they allow it, sometimes they don't.

Absolutely. One race it’s a penalty, next race it’s not. There’s zero logic or consistency

Giving room in that corner would mean slowing down by lando, which he doesn’t need to do since he’s entitled to the racing line and Perez is not clearly ahead on the outside.

As Seidl said “In Michael Masi’s words, you learn in karting already that if you go there you will end up in the gravel”. Even Horner disagreed with the penalty. Likewise Perez didn’t deserve the penalty for the second incident with Leclerc. The first incident at turn 4 is what “pushing a driver off track” means and that deserved the penalty.

What really gets me are the penalty points for both lando and Perez. I mean, WTF are the bumbling morons —read stewards— thinking

[214270]

The way to decide if it is gonna stick or not is give the room and then win the run to the next turn.
I hope they start being consistent with that going forward, this thing is such a big deal because sometimes they allow it, sometimes they don't.

Absolutely. One race it’s a penalty, next race it’s not. There’s zero logic or consistency

Giving room in that corner would mean slowing down by lando, which he doesn’t need to do since he’s entitled to the racing line and Perez is not clearly ahead on the outside.

PER was ahead.

[Sieper]

I think what sealed the deal is that Checo was already ahead before the braking zone, by quite a lot. But Lando braked himself back in to the corner. And if you do that without leaving room the other one has nowhere to go. Yes it is all a bit painful, penalties always are, with every collision there are two parties at play.

[Mogster]

Out of them all I thought the T5 (?) incident with Perez and Chaz deserved a penalty. Chaz’s front axle was level with Perez’s and Chaz was 4 wheels on track. You can’t push someone off track in those circumstances and not expect a penalty

[JRindt]

I think what sealed the deal is that Checo was already ahead before the braking zone, by quite a lot. But Lando braked himself back in to the corner. And if you do that without leaving room the other one has nowhere to go. Yes it is all a bit painful, penalties always are, with every collision there are two parties at play.

You can always take a different line and brake later on the outside, that doesn’t mean you're actually ahead during the entire corner. Perez sure was slightly ahead during the entry, then slightly behind and was alongside lando when he went off track. But, in such a fast sweeping corner, it’s just foolish to hang around on the outside and expect the defending driver not to take the racing line. If I remember correctly, Albon did the exact same thing with Carlos and went off track in Monza and nobody batted an eyelid there.

As to the other driver having nowhere to go, Perez always had the option to lift and stay on track than try to wedge his car into the gap which is going to inevitably disappear. That’s what Alonso did when he was racing Russel in the end

[sosic2121]

and you don't consider Max would have been able to react as it would have been needed.
most ppl think only 2 dimensional .... "if A does this, he would have..." instead of "if A does this, B could/would react, then A or B would have.. "

React to what?
He reacted to Hamilton in DRS zone by crying over the radio that he can't keep driving like that, and at the end of the race gap even widened slightly before Hamilton left the track.

he didnt cry, he stated a fact, and HAM already left a gap before he made the mistake ....
but indeed lets agree to disagree.....

on to race at hand, where the first couple of laps will be determining where everybody might end up.
and when it becomes a 2 stopper Lando has a disadvantage over Verstappen due to the compounds he has left.
Hamilton will finish 2nd or 3rd IMO

I respect your opinion but stick on what my.
Maybe we'll agree another time

[proteus]

I wonder if they'll say "too many people needed to be punished so no one will be punished" this time too.

I think they'll all get penalized to be honest.

I don’t really know what any of the gaps are, but any chance Russell could still get a point?

Straws. Clutching. At.

Alonso is 19 seconds behind Gasly, so i dont think so.

[dxpetrov]

Silverstone will be a walk in the park for RB, regardless of the updates Merc bring. The RB won there last year in an inferior car, remember.