Esteban Ocon secured a surprise win at the Hungarian Grand Prix after the usual contenders eliminated one another in the first corner at the start. Sebastian Vettel finished second, Lewis Hamilton salvaged with third after ending up at the back early on.
Not sure if that would fall under the same infraction though
Not the same, that was a "fault" in the paperwork how much fuel was in the car at a certain point. Not having enough fuel is a much harder offence.. basicly you're running the car under weight.
Ferrari got fined for having different amounts declared and actually in the car before the race. If you don't have at least 1L for sample at the end of a session as far as I remember penalty is DSQ. Last one I remember with that infringement was Hamilton in Q session at Catalunya in 2012. He was DSQ-ed from qualifying and had to start last while Maldonado inherited the pole and went on to win the race.
Yeah I remember that. Hamilton had pole. Germany '11 a load of cars stopped because of low fuel and I think it was after that the FIA said they'd be more strict. A pole is easier to take away then a 2nd place podium forea smaller team though. I guess we'll see
Not sure if that would fall under the same infraction though
Not the same, that was a "fault" in the paperwork how much fuel was in the car at a certain point. Not having enough fuel is a much harder offence.. basicly you're running the car under weight.
Not sure if that would fall under the same infraction though
Not the same, that was a "fault" in the paperwork how much fuel was in the car at a certain point. Not having enough fuel is a much harder offence.. basicly you're running the car under weight.
Would this promote Hamilton to 2nd?
If they penalise Vettel then yes as it would be a DSQ penalty, sadly for Seb.
If you are more fortunate than others, build a larger table not a taller fence.
Not the same, that was a "fault" in the paperwork how much fuel was in the car at a certain point. Not having enough fuel is a much harder offence.. basicly you're running the car under weight.
Not the same, that was a "fault" in the paperwork how much fuel was in the car at a certain point. Not having enough fuel is a much harder offence.. basicly you're running the car under weight.
Would this promote Hamilton to 2nd?
If they penalise Vettel then yes as it would be a DSQ penalty, sadly for Seb.
Even if they give him the smallest penalty available which I guess is 5s, it would still do that.
Ah man I feel sick for Vettel. Guy can’t catch a break. I suppose it’s a silver lining that he didn’t win the race. That would have been even worse, and denied Ocon the feeling of being in the top step.
Not sure if that would fall under the same infraction though
Not the same, that was a "fault" in the paperwork how much fuel was in the car at a certain point. Not having enough fuel is a much harder offence.. basicly you're running the car under weight.
Would this promote Hamilton to 2nd?
Yes. Unfortunately Max would also be promoted to 9th. Still, 2 points gained.
Hamilton and Mercedes have lost all respect from my side.
That’s a lie. They never had it to begin with. You have disparaged Toto and mocked Hamilton for years.
Toto yes, Hamilton no. Mercedes? I'm one of the biggest Schumacher fans on the planet so when they gave him the opportunity I was in love. Always had a huge huge amount of love for Haug and Brawn. I think Lauda was a legend and his handling was stupendous with the Hamilton/Rosberg time, a line up I believe was the most ideal driver line up possible. A no.1 and a 1.5. I've honestly always liked Mercedes, BMW and Porsche more than say Ferrari?
For some reason though, I have a natural love for racing teams and not OEM's like RBR, McLaren and whatever is left of that glorious team Williams.
EDIT- Just to clarify, just because at this hour my respect for Hamilton is at a low doesn't mean I don't think he's the best of his generation? I think we can all respect that side. Toto? He's that guy at work who was in the right place at the right time with no background, no credentials. Just took the baton when the time was right, had money and a bloke like Lauda to run the show. I have seen enough of him in high pressure situations to see what he's made of. Hamilton saved the day in 2018, looks like Lady Luck will this time.
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"Sebastian there's very, you're a member of a very select few.. Stewart, Lauda, Piquet, Senna, Prost, Schumacher, Fangio.. VETTEL!"
The people cribbing about Hamilton not being past ar fanboys who haven't watched the sport for 20+ years unlike many others. Alonso was on the line & ahead. Hamilton had no business even trying an overtake there. And Alonso gave hima
a full car width otherwise Hamilton would have been out! And LH has been a serial whiner for decades playing victim cards & twisting logic & facts. I still remember when he hit someone in Monaco & got a penalty & played the race card & said it was because he was black. Probably 09 or 10 that was.
Anyways LH continues to get lucky as a far superior driver in Verstappen continues to get taken by another Mercedes (Bottas this time). And Perez's engine needs to be changed too. Both RB are in the new engines & this would compromise the last few races (atleats 1 of them) plus Monza (they have to go into Monza with a much older engine & the others will have new). Alonso rolling back the years & showing why he is a Senna-Schumacher level driver. Shame he has 2 titles only. LH's 7 titles are probably as undeserving as Villeneuve's World Title. Being with a joke like Bottas !
Anyways we head to Mid-season with Mercedes & RB tied of sorts (Mercedes narrow advantage), Mercedes have the quicker car now (proven in different circuits like the last 2). The Silverstone upgrade was very strong & helped Mercedes. RB have the superior driver & need to find 1-2 tenths more in upgrades vs Mercedes in Half 2 if they want to win. This will go to the end. The 2 Mercedes (Hamilton in Britain & Bottas in Hungary) taking our RB causing 3rd Power Unit to be introduced will be a big disadvantage for RB !
Do you recall 2018 Silverstone when insinuations were made about Kimi deliberately taking a Mercedes out? Obviously this doesn't even assume the same realms of discussion!
Hamilton and Mercedes have lost all respect from my side. A Mercedes junior has just won a race and he's nowhere near a race seat and Hamilton has pretended for years that he doesn't care who's in the second car. In fact, he's gone on record accusing Fred and Seb and it's pretty clear that they have no such say.
I am not saying Bottas did it on purpose. Just that Mercedes & LH have been incredibly lucky -
1. Verstappen's tyre goes out in Baku & he loses a 10 point lead over Hamilton
2. Silverstone - Hamilton takes him out & takes 25 points. Intentional or not, he took him out.
3. Hungary - Max was already upto 2nd place & had the whole race to attack Lewis. Also Perez was past Bottas in 3rd or 4th place which would have allowed RB 2 cars & a potential undercut with one.
That is just 3 races on the row that Verstappen missed out on a 1st or 2nd finish due to Tyre failure or a Mercedes taking him out. He should have been 40-50 points ahead of Hamilton going into the winter break & now he is behind.
And RB which went into their 2nd Unit later than Mercedes (were supposed to have a PU advantage thus in durability) are now into their 3rd PU before Monza (where most teams will go with a new engine). There's no way this engine will last & will have same performance. You get a potential 10 place penalty somewhere down the line & you go into Monza without a new PU.
Fair to say LH is insanely lucky while Verstappen has crazy bad luck! Hope H2 doesn't have such lopsided luck ! Incredible to see Alonso. Shame he has 2 titles ! Future generations should remember Alonso like they will for Senna or Schumacher !
How exactly did Max lose a 10 point lead in Baku when Hamilton finished last?
Not the same, that was a "fault" in the paperwork how much fuel was in the car at a certain point. Not having enough fuel is a much harder offence.. basicly you're running the car under weight.
Would this promote Hamilton to 2nd?
Yes. Unfortunately Max would also be promoted to 9th. Still, 2 points gained.
In fact Max would loose more pts in relation to Hamilton.
