2021 Hungarian Grand Prix - Hungaroring, July 30 - Aug 01

[Big Tea]

Another strange turn of events.. I suppose Williams with have 10 points which is a big help to maybe be 8th in the championship at the end of the year.

It is getting the first point that is critical. It entitles them to all sorts of perks that can save them millions.
The extra money for ranking would be welcome of course.

[Just_a_fan]

We've all been impressed by the battle between Alonso and Hamilton with some great defensive driving from the 2-time champion. It's worth remembering that he was helped by Kimi coming out of the pits at an early stage as Hamilton was about to overtake in to T1. Kimi was in the pit lane exit lane so effectively blocked the attempt. It was a few laps before Hamilton was able to get that close again and put the pressure on Alonso's worn tyres resulting in the slight lock up that allowed him through. This not taking away from Alonso, he drove brilliantly, but Ocon needs to thank Kimi's team for pitting him when they did.

Alonso had to go wider to avoid Kimi and that gave Hamilton chance, but later he also had to avoid Kimi, so it's fair order remained the same.

Alonso could go wide because Kimi was there. Kimi being there defended the inside line for Alonso. Had he not been there, Alonso would have had to defend the inside allowing Hamilton to cut back on the exit and get the run down to T2 with DRS.

[Sieper]

Another strange turn of events.. I suppose Williams with have 10 points which is a big help to maybe be 8th in the championship at the end of the year.

It is getting the first point that is critical. It entitles them to all sorts of perks that can save them millions.
The extra money for ranking would be welcome of course.

Totally correct. This is a rule out of the days where we had dozens of teams turning up with second hand, years old cars, not even full F1 cars. It needs to be revised. We are just 10 teams now and cost of travel are enormous for a modern day F1 team. All teams should be reimbursed, not just after getting a point.

[renault rs26]

We've all been impressed by the battle between Alonso and Hamilton with some great defensive driving from the 2-time champion. It's worth remembering that he was helped by Kimi coming out of the pits at an early stage as Hamilton was about to overtake in to T1. Kimi was in the pit lane exit lane so effectively blocked the attempt. It was a few laps before Hamilton was able to get that close again and put the pressure on Alonso's worn tyres resulting in the slight lock up that allowed him through. This not taking away from Alonso, he drove brilliantly, but Ocon needs to thank Kimi's team for pitting him when they did.

Alonso had to go wider to avoid Kimi and that gave Hamilton chance, but later he also had to avoid Kimi, so it's fair order remained the same.

Alonso could go wide because Kimi was there. Kimi being there defended the inside line for Alonso. Had he not been there, Alonso would have had to defend the inside allowing Hamilton to cut back on the exit and get the run down to T2 with DRS.

Yeah, like Hamilton did next 10 laps.

[Kingshark]

We've all been impressed by the battle between Alonso and Hamilton with some great defensive driving from the 2-time champion. It's worth remembering that he was helped by Kimi coming out of the pits at an early stage as Hamilton was about to overtake in to T1. Kimi was in the pit lane exit lane so effectively blocked the attempt. It was a few laps before Hamilton was able to get that close again and put the pressure on Alonso's worn tyres resulting in the slight lock up that allowed him through. This not taking away from Alonso, he drove brilliantly, but Ocon needs to thank Kimi's team for pitting him when they did.

Alonso had to go wider to avoid Kimi and that gave Hamilton chance, but later he also had to avoid Kimi, so it's fair order remained the same.

Alonso could go wide because Kimi was there. Kimi being there defended the inside line for Alonso. Had he not been there, Alonso would have had to defend the inside allowing Hamilton to cut back on the exit and get the run down to T2 with DRS.

For someone who claims not to be a Hamilton fan, you certainly defend him as if you are a lawyer and he’s your client

Anyway, that battle was entertaining. It’s amazing how long it took LH to overtake FA though. He was 3 seconds per lap quicker and had countless opportunities. FA truly is the master of knowing how to position his car in duels.

[ringo]

He did not have many opportunities.
3 seconds a lap faster was not the case. Maybe compared to the leaders.
But we can see that even after the last corner with DRS Hamilton was not close enough to even outbrake Alonso into turn 1.
That pretty much shows that Alonso's car was competitive enough to keep any car behind on the day and we saw the same with Ocon's Alpine. It somehow has really good traction out of the turns to go far enough to not be prey to DRS attacks.
Hamilton is not the kind of driver to waste time overtaking. So this one was not easy. He took risks feeling out the possibilities of going around Alonso and Alonso did his best to block Lewis from taking the outside. Nothing illegal of course, it just slowed down both their laptimes but at that stage it doesnt matter. Alonso had no interest in catching sainz so was able to stay and fight and kill his own race to kill Lewis' and save Ocon's.

[Wouter]

Notes: This is a provisional classification.

[Just_a_fan]

Alonso had to go wider to avoid Kimi and that gave Hamilton chance, but later he also had to avoid Kimi, so it's fair order remained the same.

Alonso could go wide because Kimi was there. Kimi being there defended the inside line for Alonso. Had he not been there, Alonso would have had to defend the inside allowing Hamilton to cut back on the exit and get the run down to T2 with DRS.

Yeah, like Hamilton did next 10 laps.

The point I made earlier was that it was the point that Hamilton had his best shot. Alonso was then able to defend for several laps.

[Just_a_fan]

Alonso had to go wider to avoid Kimi and that gave Hamilton chance, but later he also had to avoid Kimi, so it's fair order remained the same.

Alonso could go wide because Kimi was there. Kimi being there defended the inside line for Alonso. Had he not been there, Alonso would have had to defend the inside allowing Hamilton to cut back on the exit and get the run down to T2 with DRS.

For someone who claims not to be a Hamilton fan, you certainly defend him as if you are a lawyer and he’s your client

Anyway, that battle was entertaining. It’s amazing how long it took LH to overtake FA though. He was 3 seconds per lap quicker and had countless opportunities. FA truly is the master of knowing how to position his car in duels.

You're making statements about me that aren't true. Not sure why you feel the need to join a discussion with a personal dig but that seems to the way for this forum these days.

Alonso did a brilliant job. I remember saying so during the race itself.

[Jolle]

Raikkonen got a point while ending someones race, will cost HAAS millions. Mazapin would have finished high up the field, now they are dead last for sure with Williams getting points.

#yesthatsoundsrediculousdoesn'tit?

[Mogster]

Alonso could go wide because Kimi was there. Kimi being there defended the inside line for Alonso. Had he not been there, Alonso would have had to defend the inside allowing Hamilton to cut back on the exit and get the run down to T2 with DRS.

Yeah, like Hamilton did next 10 laps.

The point I made earlier was that it was the point that Hamilton had his best shot. Alonso was then able to defend for several laps.

Was it Hamilton’s best shot though or the maximum he was willing to risk while knowing he was handily out scoring Max. Alonso had nothing to lose, Lewis had plenty.

Hamilton has become very good at these percentage games, every move seems to be risk assessed on cost/benefit grounds. Those sort of assessments don’t seem to enter Max’s head, although they do seem to come naturally to Norris. To be fair to Max I don’t think those sort of considerations were seen in Hamilton’s driving when he was 23.

That’s the thing about Max’s “bad luck”. He could have prevented the accident at Silverstone while leading the WDC by 30 points. He decided to hang it out round the outside at the start on Sunday when being on the outside in changeable conditions puts a target on your back, someone will get it wrong, cars will head in that direction. If Max can bring these sort of considerations to his driving he really will be an incredible foe.

[Lock2nl]

Yeah, like Hamilton did next 10 laps.

The point I made earlier was that it was the point that Hamilton had his best shot. Alonso was then able to defend for several laps.

Was it Hamilton’s best shot though or the maximum he was willing to risk while knowing he was handily out scoring Max. Alonso had nothing to lose, Lewis had plenty.

Hamilton has become very good at these percentage games, every move seems to be risk assessed on cost/benefit grounds. Those sort of assessments don’t seem to enter Max’s head, although they do seem to come naturally to Norris. To be fair to Max I don’t think those sort of considerations were seen in Hamilton’s driving when he was 23.

That’s the thing about Max’s “bad luck”. He could have prevented the accident at Silverstone while leading the WDC by 30 points. He decided to hang it out round the outside at the start on Sunday when being on the outside in changeable conditions puts a target on your back, someone will get it wrong, cars will head in that direction. If Max can bring these sort of considerations to his driving he really will be an incredible foe.

You probably didn't see that Lewis was also on that same outside line? Max could have smelled Lewis farting..
Take a few seconds time so you can stop the video just before Norris hit Max. If.. Bottas would have hit Norris only a second later (with Norris turned in) or if Bottas had hit Norris more on the left rear side, the trajectory of the McLaren would not have been towards the outside but to the inside of the corner. Guess who Norris would have hit in that case? Right. LH. Of course Lewis could never have prevented such misfortune...

[Andres125sx]

He did not have many opportunities.
3 seconds a lap faster was not the case. Maybe compared to the leaders.
But we can see that even after the last corner with DRS Hamilton was not close enough to even outbrake Alonso into turn 1.
That pretty much shows that Alonso's car was competitive enough to keep any car behind on the day and we saw the same with Ocon's Alpine. It somehow has really good traction out of the turns to go far enough to not be prey to DRS attacks.
Hamilton is not the kind of driver to waste time overtaking. So this one was not easy. He took risks feeling out the possibilities of going around Alonso and Alonso did his best to block Lewis from taking the outside. Nothing illegal of course, it just slowed down both their laptimes but at that stage it doesnt matter. Alonso had no interest in catching sainz so was able to stay and fight and kill his own race to kill Lewis' and save Ocon's.

Lewis passed Alonso with 5 laps to go, and at the end he was 13 seconds ahead so maybe not 3 full seconds, but pretty close. He lost some time passing Sainz too so if it was just 2 seconds (less than a lap behind Carlos) then it would be exactly 3 full seconds per lap faster

Of course Hamilton is not the kind of driver to waste time overtaking, that´s what gives even more credit to Alonso. Holding him back for 11 laps was just unbelieveble

Alonso masterclass

[Kingshark]

You're making statements about me that aren't true. Not sure why you feel the need to join a discussion with a personal dig but that seems to the way for this forum these days.

Alonso did a brilliant job. I remember saying so during the race itself.

Backmarkers are a part of racing. Arguably the reason to why Hamilton was able to get so close to Alonso in the first place was because of the dirty air from the Raikkonen through sector 3.

Honestly, using Raikkonen as an excuse to why Hamilton did not overtake right away just comes across as poor.

[hollus]

Not sure if anyone noticed, but Lewis was first, and then no one overtook him but he was sitting last, then he did not overtake anyone but got to be ahead again, and then we was last again and then he got first agaii...lmost.