Normally you always immediately come up with links of articles without being asked
and now it is asked nicely and then this person has to look for it himself.
You are a very friendly and helpful person Sir Dans!
Normally you always immediately come up with links of articles without being asked
So the bit about "vice versa" passed you by then?jurinius wrote: ↑07 Aug 2021, 19:38The funny thing here is can we turn this statement around like 'Lewis fans attacking Max, Max fans defending him and vice versa'.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑07 Aug 2021, 16:55... Max fans attacking Lewis, Lewis fans defending him and vice versa. ...Wouter wrote: ↑07 Aug 2021, 16:29
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One can turn around his statement:
Actually, I think it's that deep down some people are starting to question if Lewis is as good as they've been claiming he is.
Thus they feel the need to attack Max to justify their stance on Lewis.
This is what I see here all the time.
Who is defending and who is attacking, it depends of many factors
The new Discovery Channel show about "Alonso being a tactical altruist hero" is what I respect the most in this thread. I wonder how many episodes of the show we will have this season. Anyway it is admirable even Ocon is a believer, why don't we.
All good stuff. And your point?Kingshark wrote: ↑07 Aug 2021, 21:37There’s some serious deflection going on here. After Bahrain, many were convinced that Hamilton’s superior maturity would win him the title. That is why, when Hamilton is the one making the major mistakes, a million excuses need to be made instead of just accepting that Lewis is a flawed driver (which does not mean bad).
Who said this? Please provide some quotes.For years we've heard if he had a car that was even a few tenths slower he would run away with the championship or some other nonsense. Now that he a car that's there or there abouts, he's not running away with it.
Max is not the one who drove into a wall by himself, nor is he the one who switched his own brakes off and lost the easiest 25 points imaginable. The biggest mistakes this season have been made by Hamilton. The fact that Lewis fans keep harping on about Max’s alleged “mistake” at Silverstone as some kind of counter-argument is only further proof of that. If Max actually made serious mistakes this year, you wouldn’t feel the need to bring up an incident where Lewis was majority to blame by verdict of the stewards.As much as people like to complain about Lewis's luck and Max's bad luck, Max has also made several strategic mistakes this season. He's had several issues with track limits, and his typical issue of being overly aggressive when he shouldn't.
If you’re saying Lewis had a ‘decent’ car past 7 years, then you’re only disqualifying yourself.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑08 Aug 2021, 01:44
It's all pointless. Anyone that breaks those records is no better than the man that set the records.
If the records are easy - just need a decent car - then anyone with a decent car can take the records. Ergo, the records are worth no more than the car / team.
If that's the case, and the hypothesis is valid, then Max is no better than Lewis. Just as any other driver is better than any other driver.
I never said that Hamilton is not good did I?Just_a_fan wrote: ↑08 Aug 2021, 01:44All good stuff. And your point?
What is it that you're trying to prove?
Is it that Hamilton is no good?
I just finished a 1000 km drive, and I have another 500 km to do tomorrow. So yes, this time people are going to have to search for it themselves.
You're not being attacked, your opinion is being questioned/tested.
Well at least you agree Lewis is better than Alonso, Leclerc, Vettel, Sainz, Norris, Russell, Ricciardo and Perez.Kingshark wrote: ↑08 Aug 2021, 02:15I never said that Hamilton is not good did I?Just_a_fan wrote: ↑08 Aug 2021, 01:44All good stuff. And your point?
What is it that you're trying to prove?
Is it that Hamilton is no good?
Hamilton is a great driver, however, I believe that:
1. Max has driven better this season (an opinion that is supported by every magazine that does driver ratings)
2. Max is more talented (difficult to prove and more subjective as they drive different cars)
I still consider Hamilton better than 95% of the grid. The reason why I am being attacked left and right on this forum is because that number is not 100%.
6 world titles with 2 seconds a lap faster car for 7 seasons now. No wonder people say, "It's the car".ringo wrote: ↑08 Aug 2021, 04:51Max is the GOAT. 7 years no titles. Just 15 wins, mediocre teammates who were basically rookies. Lost twice to his best teammate; who is being whooped by Norris. Drives a traction and braking monster in the RB cars so looks are deceiving. Gets outqualified by Perez before who isn't great at qualifying and when he gets the setup right has same race pace as Max.
But despite thes facts. He is better than all.
We need to accept these facts and move on. Stop giving trouble Hamilton fans!
By the way.. Vettel's team should have told him to back off to save fuel. It would have meant the sainz and or lewis would have passed him. But the team would have got a good result.
I would like t know what the protest will yeild. I am feeling its just to show they tried but its likely Vettel will be keep his DQ.
What you say means either one of two thing; Ves should have avoided the risk to defend on the outside (not to take a risk), or Ham took the risk deliberately whilst knowing the possible consequences in that corner (to take a risk) ..