Is that smart though?
They must be the only team not focused almost entirely on 2022 by now.
I hope this doesn't come back to haunt them next year and subsequent seasons.
I want Lando to win the WDC on merit, not cos Max didn't have a car to compete
Is that smart though?
I'm sure Lando will take it any way it comesadrianjordan wrote: ↑20 Aug 2021, 11:49Is that smart though?
They must be the only team not focused almost entirely on 2022 by now.
I hope this doesn't come back to haunt them next year and subsequent seasons.
I want Lando to win the WDC on merit, not cos Max didn't have a car to compete
Maybe next year will be back to the more usual pattern of Red Bull starting the year with a car that is a bit underdeveloped then, thinking they'll be able to claw it back over the season. I guess with a good chance of getting the WDC, it having been a long time they weren't in that position, and next year being uncertain because so much changes, that might be a valid choice for Red Bull, then see next year as a learning year before they get back on it in 2023?NathanOlder wrote: ↑21 Aug 2021, 10:41Red Bull boss Christian Horner says his Formula 1 team could never have accepted switching off development of its current car early – despite rivals throwing everything at 2022
I wonder how much this will hurt 2022 and beyond ? Although Horner says it isn't hurting their 2022 preperations, surely every minute and every £ you put in to 2021 has an effect on 2022 ?!
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red- ... e/6651261/
The problem with that is they have, historically, been able to spend whatever that liked to be able to develop. The new rules and budget cap will make that a lot harder.bosyber wrote: ↑21 Aug 2021, 11:11Maybe next year will be back to the more usual pattern of Red Bull starting the year with a car that is a bit underdeveloped then, thinking they'll be able to claw it back over the season. I guess with a good chance of getting the WDC, it having been a long time they weren't in that position, and next year being uncertain because so much changes, that might be a valid choice for Red Bull, then see next year as a learning year before they get back on it in 2023?NathanOlder wrote: ↑21 Aug 2021, 10:41Red Bull boss Christian Horner says his Formula 1 team could never have accepted switching off development of its current car early – despite rivals throwing everything at 2022
I wonder how much this will hurt 2022 and beyond ? Although Horner says it isn't hurting their 2022 preperations, surely every minute and every £ you put in to 2021 has an effect on 2022 ?!
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red- ... e/6651261/
Basically it’s an aero only rule change.NathanOlder wrote: ↑21 Aug 2021, 10:41
I wonder how much this will hurt 2022 and beyond ? Although Horner says it isn't hurting their 2022 preperations, surely every minute and every £ you put in to 2021 has an effect on 2022 ?!
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red- ... e/6651261/
But Newey was always able to throw unlimited amounts of CFD, wind tunnel and cash at the Aero in years past. Next year (and this year working on next years car) he can't do any of that.GOAT wrote: ↑22 Aug 2021, 21:09Basically it’s an aero only rule change.NathanOlder wrote: ↑21 Aug 2021, 10:41
I wonder how much this will hurt 2022 and beyond ? Although Horner says it isn't hurting their 2022 preperations, surely every minute and every £ you put in to 2021 has an effect on 2022 ?!
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red- ... e/6651261/
‘Aerodynamically’ speaking RB has always been there or thereabout, with Newey- it was mostly the PU that hindered them and by the looks of it, that’s solved now.
Newey uses a drawing board foremost.
It’ll be hard to claw back time quickly early on if you’re behind due to the new restrictions (budget, CFD, tunnel). Also, the learning curve is so steep early on that the teams that start ahead will continue to make large leaps while others play catch-up. Allison has talked about finding seconds worth of performance for next year’s car, while on the ‘21 car, they were lucky to find hundredths.bosyber wrote: ↑21 Aug 2021, 11:11Maybe next year will be back to the more usual pattern of Red Bull starting the year with a car that is a bit underdeveloped then, thinking they'll be able to claw it back over the season. I guess with a good chance of getting the WDC, it having been a long time they weren't in that position, and next year being uncertain because so much changes, that might be a valid choice for Red Bull, then see next year as a learning year before they get back on it in 2023?NathanOlder wrote: ↑21 Aug 2021, 10:41Red Bull boss Christian Horner says his Formula 1 team could never have accepted switching off development of its current car early – despite rivals throwing everything at 2022
I wonder how much this will hurt 2022 and beyond ? Although Horner says it isn't hurting their 2022 preperations, surely every minute and every £ you put in to 2021 has an effect on 2022 ?!
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red- ... e/6651261/
I thought the spending cap was already in place?BassVirolla wrote: ↑23 Aug 2021, 09:54With spending caps in place for '21 and '22 there's no worries in keeping developing until last day of season.
All you are doing, including man hours, are allocated at 2021 spending cap.
2022 development is probably also at full steam, but only taking from the spending allowed for next year.
Edit: Saying in other words: More than probably, the big teams still have far more resources than what they could use under only one year spending cap.
It is and it doesn’t differentiate if you’re working on this years car, next year or 2023. It’s what you spend in a season. You can’t “use” 2022 money in 2021 or something.SiLo wrote: ↑23 Aug 2021, 10:45I thought the spending cap was already in place?BassVirolla wrote: ↑23 Aug 2021, 09:54With spending caps in place for '21 and '22 there's no worries in keeping developing until last day of season.
All you are doing, including man hours, are allocated at 2021 spending cap.
2022 development is probably also at full steam, but only taking from the spending allowed for next year.
Edit: Saying in other words: More than probably, the big teams still have far more resources than what they could use under only one year spending cap.
Yeah that's what I understood. Any extra time taken to develop the 2021 car will absolutely impact the 2022 development program unless it's managed incredibly well.Jolle wrote: ↑23 Aug 2021, 11:03It is and it doesn’t differentiate if you’re working on this years car, next year or 2023. It’s what you spend in a season. You can’t “use” 2022 money in 2021 or something.SiLo wrote: ↑23 Aug 2021, 10:45I thought the spending cap was already in place?BassVirolla wrote: ↑23 Aug 2021, 09:54With spending caps in place for '21 and '22 there's no worries in keeping developing until last day of season.
All you are doing, including man hours, are allocated at 2021 spending cap.
2022 development is probably also at full steam, but only taking from the spending allowed for next year.
Edit: Saying in other words: More than probably, the big teams still have far more resources than what they could use under only one year spending cap.