2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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Xyz22 wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 09:13
The first stint had a huge impact in Leclerc’s race as he lost 5s compared to Sainz and 10s on Russell (in like 5 laps). Once again terrible execution with a completely different approach than usual which didn’t work at all. I really don’t understand what the hell where they thinking, maybe they thought they had a huge pace advantage?
So without trying to go for race lead, he would have had the same pace as Sainz ideally - who also lost loads of time when Mediums went off. What would have changed in his race, other than finishing P3? Turn it around any way, Ferrari was 2nd best yesterday, cold conditions suited Mercedes the most by far and even they were surprised how good they were.
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Vanja #66 wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 09:27
So without trying to go for race lead, he would have had the same pace as Sainz ideally - who also lost loads of time when Mediums went off. What would have changed in his race, other than finishing P3? Turn it around any way, Ferrari was 2nd best yesterday, cold conditions suited Mercedes the most by far and even they were surprised how good they were.
Maybe Sainz also over-attacked the tyres at the beginning? for example trying to keep up with Charles with Georges.
Only the first lap he went a second slower, then continued at almost the same pace as Charles, sometimes one or two tenths slower, sometimes the same.
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yooogurt wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 10:03
Maybe Sainz also over-attacked the tyres at the beginning? for example trying to keep up with Charles with Georges.
Only the first lap he went a second slower, then continued at almost the same pace as Charles, sometimes one or two tenths slower, sometimes the same.
Well in any case, Russell was a lot quicker and so was Hamilton when the air cleared out for him. You either lose 1s every lap and end up with 10s gap before pitting for Mediums or you try to keep up, kill the tyres and end up with 8-10s gap to Russell before pitting. Leclerc was running higher pace in FP2, on a much dirtier track. There was literally no indication the cliff on Mediums was so soon. In hindsight, they could have run a bit more in FP2 to see what happens, maybe they will change their FP2 running plans and procedures.

When Leclerc attacked Russell and they went together into T1 he started dropping off right after. I was certain he got a big floor damage and a DNF was coming in a few laps, tyres didn't even cross my mind. Only when Sainz started dropping back as quickly 2 laps later I realised it's the tyres
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Vanja #66 wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 09:27
Xyz22 wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 09:13
The first stint had a huge impact in Leclerc’s race as he lost 5s compared to Sainz and 10s on Russell (in like 5 laps). Once again terrible execution with a completely different approach than usual which didn’t work at all. I really don’t understand what the hell where they thinking, maybe they thought they had a huge pace advantage?
So without trying to go for race lead, he would have had the same pace as Sainz ideally - who also lost loads of time when Mediums went off. What would have changed in his race, other than finishing P3? Turn it around any way, Ferrari was 2nd best yesterday, cold conditions suited Mercedes the most by far and even they were surprised how good they were.
Doesn’t change the fact that the execution was suboptimal by a huge margin. Maybe P2 would have been possible as well.

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Vanja #66 wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 10:22
yooogurt wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 10:03
Maybe Sainz also over-attacked the tyres at the beginning? for example trying to keep up with Charles with Georges.
Only the first lap he went a second slower, then continued at almost the same pace as Charles, sometimes one or two tenths slower, sometimes the same.
Well in any case, Russell was a lot quicker and so was Hamilton when the air cleared out for him. You either lose 1s every lap and end up with 10s gap before pitting for Mediums or you try to keep up, kill the tyres and end up with 8-10s gap to Russell before pitting. Leclerc was running higher pace in FP2, on a much dirtier track. There was literally no indication the cliff on Mediums was so soon. In hindsight, they could have run a bit more in FP2 to see what happens, maybe they will change their FP2 running plans and procedures.

When Leclerc attacked Russell and they went together into T1 he started dropping off right after. I was certain he got a big floor damage and a DNF was coming in a few laps, tyres didn't even cross my mind. Only when Sainz started dropping back as quickly 2 laps later I realised it's the tyres
Thats a pure downforce comparison, that's between these two chassis. It's absolutely king in flexing the tire carcass in colder conditions (which is where longer run traction and life is derived) the MB easily superior in this very interesting head-to-head race. Also enhanced by LH having to run it so hard and not tire save at all, just moved it into bigger difference. The Ferrari didn't stand a chance against them under these conditions, nobody else either.

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Farnborough wrote:
25 Nov 2024, 11:03
Thats a pure downforce comparison, that's between these two chassis. It's absolutely king in flexing the tire carcass in colder conditions (which is where longer run traction and life is derived) the MB easily superior in this very interesting head-to-head race. Also enhanced by LH having to run it so hard and not tire save at all, just moved it into bigger difference. The Ferrari didn't stand a chance against them under these conditions, nobody else either.
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