2025 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[diffuser]

There will be one more planned update for the AMR25 in Spa, as Cowell confirmed in the press conference after the race. Seems likely that it was just not ready for Silverstone and part of the update programme introduced there.

Nice.

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There will be one more planned update for the AMR25 in Spa, as Cowell confirmed in the press conference after the race. Seems likely that it was just not ready for Silverstone and part of the update programme introduced there.

Nice!

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Drugovich tested Pirelli's 2026 tires today. Tomorrow it will be Lance Stroll's turn.
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[SSJ4]

All Spanish paper are saying the same about spa. Guessing that’s the suspension stuff or rear corner judging by how much newey look at the McLaren pre race

[diffuser]

All Spanish paper are saying the same about spa. Guessing that’s the suspension stuff or rear corner judging by how much newey look at the McLaren pre race

What are they saying SSJ4?

Cowell said the SPA upgrades are upgrades that didn't get manufactured in time for Silverstone.

You think they can have a new suspension ready for 2 weeks?

[SSJ4]

All Spanish paper are saying the same about spa. Guessing that’s the suspension stuff or rear corner judging by how much newey look at the McLaren pre race

What are they saying SSJ4?

Cowell said the SPA upgrades are upgrades that didn't get manufactured in time for Silverstone.

You think they can have a new suspension ready for 2 weeks?

alonso saying the silverstone updates are upgrades in terms of performance and we will have a 'significant' update for SPA. Also said whenever this years car is mentioned Newey goes to his office and mentioned that he hasn't worked on it. so nothing new in that sense, just giving some advice.

regarding the upgrades for spa. who knows. maybe some suspension stuff. maybe some front or rear corner stuff. the main purpose of silverstone updates was to help with the airflow to rear tyres.

[Bisonas]

It was never an option to pit Alonso early on and put him on slicks. It would be suicide for Alonso to give up 8 positions to put on slicks. 99 times out of 100, that's the wrong play. Who in their right mind would have pitted from Alonso from 6th to come out 14th?

Like I said, it was only an option for Lance because AntMan was on slicks and was close to 30 seconds behind Lance. This allowed Lance to pit, still come out ahead of Antman, in clean air and therfore not have to pass anyone.

Stroll pitted under VSC and the moment he pitted was 15.8s behind the leader in 11th position.
(Alonso was 8.3s behind the leader in 6th at that time)

Stroll came out of the pits, 28.2s behind the leader in 12th position while the race was still under VSC.
He lost approximately 12.4s to the leader while pitting under VSC.

Now if we add those 12.4s to ALO 8.3s gap to the leader, ALO would have come out more or less around 20.7s behind the leader. That would have putted him very very comfortably in the same gap/slot Stroll ended up, at 12th position, 3,5s behind Ocon and he would have been at an even better position because he would have been 7-8 seconds closer to the leader compare to where Stroll came out.

Now 3 laps later Stroll came in for inters while he was just 17.8s from the leader (piastri now) at 8th position having gained massively in his 3 laps on soft. Especially in S2 he was gaining enormously on ALL the inters runners.

After (the leader) PIA and VES at 2nd place pitted for fresh inters, VES at second place was 9s from the lead and stroll was 15s from the lead.

I don't want to shock you but all my calculations/emulations show me, that if Alonso was given Strolls exact strategy and the exact same pit stop timings, after everybody was pitted for inters, ALO would have been running at 2nd place behind PIA and in front of VES.

of course ALO presence in that scenario probably would have triggered VES and NOR to think about how to cover ALO strategy, and maybe, who knows we had a completely different sequence of events.

I urge everyone to run the numbers on live timing to verify what i am saying.

So yea, it was pretty much an option for ALO also to pit for slicks, but as i have stated in my previous post, it was a riskier option for Alonso because he had more to lose if they didn't manage to get the pitstops timings correctly.

Kudos to them though because regarding Stroll they did manage to execute a very difficult (to get it 100% right) strategy, with perfection.

There is evidence with Hulk of what would happen if they pitted early, we don't need your calculations. The point isn't "was it possible"?. The question how do you know in advance how it's gonna play out?
What if it doesn't rain? What if there is no safety car? What if the VSR last another 3 laps? What if the rain started 3 laps before? What if someone spins, goes off, and the race red flagged? Really nice for you to be sitting here on Monday morning with the fact that it did rain when it rained. It has happened often before at Silverstone where they thought it would rain and it didn't or they thought it would rain harder and it didn't. Then you're stuck both Stroll and Alonso sitting out of the points. If you don't understand that F1 teams take on alot of risk when they're out of the points and do the opposite when in the points. I'm not sure what to tell you.

Both Mercs and LeClerc got it wrong and they finished behind Alonso. On that first stop, of the top 9 cars, they all did the same thing except Hulk. So they all got it wrong, in your opinion. The strategy guys have seconds to make decisions.


If you don't understand that F1 teams take on alot of risk only when they're out of the points, I don't know what to tell you. That's just the way it is.

You said..
"We" don't need your calculations..

seriously ? You speak for everyone now?? .. lol
Say "I" don't need your calculations and stop referring to what others may or may not need.

You Said
"It was never an option to pit Alonso early on and put him on slicks. It would be suicide for Alonso to give up 8 positions to put on slicks. 99 times out of 100, that's the wrong play. Who in their right mind would have pitted from Alonso from 6th to come out 14th?
Like I said, it was only an option for Lance because AntMan was on slicks and was close to 30 seconds behind Lance. This allowed Lance to pit, still come out ahead of Antman, in clean air and therfore not have to pass anyone.?"

It's obvious that you actually needed my calculations mate because what you said was just wrong.
I demonstrated to you that he would come out at 12th just behind Ocon.
So It was always an option mate. Risky option, bad option, good option, doesn't matter, it was always an option.

You said
"The question how do you know in advance how it's gonna play out?
What if it doesn't rain? What if there is no safety car? What if the VSR last another 3 laps? What if the rain started 3 laps before? What if someone spins, goes off, and the race red flagged"

You are really hilarious mate.. really.. I have said it 3 times already in 3 different posts, that it was too risky and AMR wasn't comfortable to take that risk with Alonso. That's why they took it with the driver that had less to lose at that point. I have said it in 3 different posts and now you come here and repeat what i have said like you are saying it for the first time. Amazing...

and finally you said..
"If you don't understand that F1 teams take on alot of risk only when they're out of the points, I don't know what to tell you. That's just the way it is."

I get the feeling that you are the one that doesn't understand some things about how f1 teams work.
Teams that have a lot of money and their existence or progress is not connected or related to their classification in the standings, (like FER MCL RBR etc, or even AMR nowadays) can take what ever risk they want when ever they want, especially when they are not actually competing for the championship. So yea AMR on 8th position on the teams standings, can pretty much take what ever risk they like for this year. Why do you thinκ RUS and LEC pitted for slicks on the formation lap?? they saw that the leaders didn't pit, and yet.. they decide to pit.. why?? Because MER and FER just didn't mind to take the risk.. They wanted to do something different and they tried it. They took the risk.

So...

Start reading what other people are writing mate because you really don't make sense when you are just repeating what other have said a few posts back.

And control your arrogance a bit. This is an open F1 forum.
Calculations, analysis and discussions is what we do here.
If you don't like them, discard them or debate them, but don't speak on behalf of others.

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Stroll pitted under VSC and the moment he pitted was 15.8s behind the leader in 11th position.
(Alonso was 8.3s behind the leader in 6th at that time)

Stroll came out of the pits, 28.2s behind the leader in 12th position while the race was still under VSC.
He lost approximately 12.4s to the leader while pitting under VSC.

Now if we add those 12.4s to ALO 8.3s gap to the leader, ALO would have come out more or less around 20.7s behind the leader. That would have putted him very very comfortably in the same gap/slot Stroll ended up, at 12th position, 3,5s behind Ocon and he would have been at an even better position because he would have been 7-8 seconds closer to the leader compare to where Stroll came out.

Now 3 laps later Stroll came in for inters while he was just 17.8s from the leader (piastri now) at 8th position having gained massively in his 3 laps on soft. Especially in S2 he was gaining enormously on ALL the inters runners.

After (the leader) PIA and VES at 2nd place pitted for fresh inters, VES at second place was 9s from the lead and stroll was 15s from the lead.

I don't want to shock you but all my calculations/emulations show me, that if Alonso was given Strolls exact strategy and the exact same pit stop timings, after everybody was pitted for inters, ALO would have been running at 2nd place behind PIA and in front of VES.

of course ALO presence in that scenario probably would have triggered VES and NOR to think about how to cover ALO strategy, and maybe, who knows we had a completely different sequence of events.

I urge everyone to run the numbers on live timing to verify what i am saying.

So yea, it was pretty much an option for ALO also to pit for slicks, but as i have stated in my previous post, it was a riskier option for Alonso because he had more to lose if they didn't manage to get the pitstops timings correctly.

Kudos to them though because regarding Stroll they did manage to execute a very difficult (to get it 100% right) strategy, with perfection.

There is evidence with Hulk of what would happen if they pitted early, we don't need your calculations. The point isn't "was it possible"?. The question how do you know in advance how it's gonna play out?
What if it doesn't rain? What if there is no safety car? What if the VSR last another 3 laps? What if the rain started 3 laps before? What if someone spins, goes off, and the race red flagged? Really nice for you to be sitting here on Monday morning with the fact that it did rain when it rained. It has happened often before at Silverstone where they thought it would rain and it didn't or they thought it would rain harder and it didn't. Then you're stuck both Stroll and Alonso sitting out of the points. If you don't understand that F1 teams take on alot of risk when they're out of the points and do the opposite when in the points. I'm not sure what to tell you.

Both Mercs and LeClerc got it wrong and they finished behind Alonso. On that first stop, of the top 9 cars, they all did the same thing except Hulk. So they all got it wrong, in your opinion. The strategy guys have seconds to make decisions.


If you don't understand that F1 teams take on alot of risk only when they're out of the points, I don't know what to tell you. That's just the way it is.

You said..
"We" don't need your calculations..

seriously ? You speak for everyone now?? .. lol
Say "I" don't need your calculations and stop referring to what others may or may not need.

You Said
"It was never an option to pit Alonso early on and put him on slicks. It would be suicide for Alonso to give up 8 positions to put on slicks. 99 times out of 100, that's the wrong play. Who in their right mind would have pitted from Alonso from 6th to come out 14th?
Like I said, it was only an option for Lance because AntMan was on slicks and was close to 30 seconds behind Lance. This allowed Lance to pit, still come out ahead of Antman, in clean air and therfore not have to pass anyone.?"

It's obvious that you actually needed my calculations mate because what you said was just wrong.
I demonstrated to you that he would come out at 12th just behind Ocon.
So It was always an option mate. Risky option, bad option, good option, doesn't matter, it was always an option.

You said
"The question how do you know in advance how it's gonna play out?
What if it doesn't rain? What if there is no safety car? What if the VSR last another 3 laps? What if the rain started 3 laps before? What if someone spins, goes off, and the race red flagged"

You are really hilarious mate.. really.. I have said it 3 times already in 3 different posts, that it was too risky and AMR wasn't comfortable to take that risk with Alonso. That's why they took it with the driver that had less to lose at that point. I have said it in 3 different posts and now you come here and repeat what i have said like you are saying it for the first time. Amazing...

and finally you said..
"If you don't understand that F1 teams take on alot of risk only when they're out of the points, I don't know what to tell you. That's just the way it is."

I get the feeling that you are the one that doesn't understand some things about how f1 teams work.
Teams that have a lot of money and their existence or progress is not connected or related to their classification in the standings, (like FER MCL RBR etc, or even AMR nowadays) can take what ever risk they want when ever they want, especially when they are not actually competing for the championship. So yea AMR on 8th position on the teams standings, can pretty much take what ever risk they like for this year. Why do you thinκ RUS and LEC pitted for slicks on the formation lap?? they saw that the leaders didn't pit, and yet.. they decide to pit.. why?? Because MER and FER just didn't mind to take the risk.. They wanted to do something different and they tried it. They took the risk.

So...

Start reading what other people are writing mate because you really don't make sense when you are just repeating what other have said a few posts back.

And control your arrogance a bit. This is an open F1 forum.
Calculations, analysis and discussions is what we do here.
If you don't like them, discard them or debate them, but don't speak on behalf of others.

Sorry if I got too excited in my response. I wasn't trying to talk down to you just make a point.

Here is what I wrote..
There is evidence with Hulk of what would happen if they pitted early, we don't need your calculations.
Attempting to say...
"Someone already stopped early in race and finished on the podium. So we know what would have happened.. it's not about that."

The point isn't "was it possible"? but that it was too high risk for someone in 6th place. The case and point is nobody else but Hulk did it in the top 9.

Now you can disagree with me but I'll just take you back to the fact that 8 other cars were in similar situation and also didn't stop early. I will also use that to state that it means "that is the norm."

You can also say well, Hulk and Stroll made it work. To which I'll reply Leclerc, Antonelli and Russell each tried risky strategies, couldn't get it to work and finished behind Alonso.

[-wkst-]

regarding the upgrades for spa. who knows. maybe some suspension stuff. maybe some front or rear corner stuff. the main purpose of silverstone updates was to help with the airflow to rear tyres.

Yeah, even for me as a layman is it obvious that they changed the airflow to the rear quite significantly with this update. Therefore I won't be surprised if they change something at the rear of the car as a further development (in the wind tunnel there was quite sure the modell inclusive the Spa update).

[Bisonas]

There is evidence with Hulk of what would happen if they pitted early, we don't need your calculations. The point isn't "was it possible"?. The question how do you know in advance how it's gonna play out?
What if it doesn't rain? What if there is no safety car? What if the VSR last another 3 laps? What if the rain started 3 laps before? What if someone spins, goes off, and the race red flagged? Really nice for you to be sitting here on Monday morning with the fact that it did rain when it rained. It has happened often before at Silverstone where they thought it would rain and it didn't or they thought it would rain harder and it didn't. Then you're stuck both Stroll and Alonso sitting out of the points. If you don't understand that F1 teams take on alot of risk when they're out of the points and do the opposite when in the points. I'm not sure what to tell you.

Both Mercs and LeClerc got it wrong and they finished behind Alonso. On that first stop, of the top 9 cars, they all did the same thing except Hulk. So they all got it wrong, in your opinion. The strategy guys have seconds to make decisions.


If you don't understand that F1 teams take on alot of risk only when they're out of the points, I don't know what to tell you. That's just the way it is.

You said..
"We" don't need your calculations..

seriously ? You speak for everyone now?? .. lol
Say "I" don't need your calculations and stop referring to what others may or may not need.

You Said
"It was never an option to pit Alonso early on and put him on slicks. It would be suicide for Alonso to give up 8 positions to put on slicks. 99 times out of 100, that's the wrong play. Who in their right mind would have pitted from Alonso from 6th to come out 14th?
Like I said, it was only an option for Lance because AntMan was on slicks and was close to 30 seconds behind Lance. This allowed Lance to pit, still come out ahead of Antman, in clean air and therfore not have to pass anyone.?"

It's obvious that you actually needed my calculations mate because what you said was just wrong.
I demonstrated to you that he would come out at 12th just behind Ocon.
So It was always an option mate. Risky option, bad option, good option, doesn't matter, it was always an option.

You said
"The question how do you know in advance how it's gonna play out?
What if it doesn't rain? What if there is no safety car? What if the VSR last another 3 laps? What if the rain started 3 laps before? What if someone spins, goes off, and the race red flagged"

You are really hilarious mate.. really.. I have said it 3 times already in 3 different posts, that it was too risky and AMR wasn't comfortable to take that risk with Alonso. That's why they took it with the driver that had less to lose at that point. I have said it in 3 different posts and now you come here and repeat what i have said like you are saying it for the first time. Amazing...

and finally you said..
"If you don't understand that F1 teams take on alot of risk only when they're out of the points, I don't know what to tell you. That's just the way it is."

I get the feeling that you are the one that doesn't understand some things about how f1 teams work.
Teams that have a lot of money and their existence or progress is not connected or related to their classification in the standings, (like FER MCL RBR etc, or even AMR nowadays) can take what ever risk they want when ever they want, especially when they are not actually competing for the championship. So yea AMR on 8th position on the teams standings, can pretty much take what ever risk they like for this year. Why do you thinκ RUS and LEC pitted for slicks on the formation lap?? they saw that the leaders didn't pit, and yet.. they decide to pit.. why?? Because MER and FER just didn't mind to take the risk.. They wanted to do something different and they tried it. They took the risk.

So...

Start reading what other people are writing mate because you really don't make sense when you are just repeating what other have said a few posts back.

And control your arrogance a bit. This is an open F1 forum.
Calculations, analysis and discussions is what we do here.
If you don't like them, discard them or debate them, but don't speak on behalf of others.

Sorry if I got too excited in my response. I wasn't trying to talk down to you just make a point.

Here is what I wrote..
There is evidence with Hulk of what would happen if they pitted early, we don't need your calculations.
Attempting to say...
"Someone already stopped early in race and finished on the podium. So we know what would have happened.. it's not about that."

Sorry if I got too excited in my response. I wasn't trying to talk down to you just make a point.
but that it was too high risk for someone in 6th place. The case and point is nobody else but Hulk did it in the top 9.

Now you can disagree with me but I'll just take you back to the fact that 8 other cars were in similar situation and also didn't stop early. I will also use that to state that it means "that is the norm."

You can also say well, Hulk and Stroll made it work. To which I'll reply Leclerc, Antonelli and Russell each tried risky strategies, couldn't get it to work and finished behind Alonso.

it seems to me that you always get too excited when someone is correcting you, or pointing out that you where wrong on something.
After all it was the magnitude of how wrong you were, (when you said that it was never an option because Alonso would lose 8 places and come out 14th if he was given strolls strategy), that triggered me to make that analysis.
And yea, you also knew then what Hulk did and you still make that statement, because you just didn't do the math. It's ok mate, it's understandable, so i just did the math for you and pointed out the results.

But things like that triggers you it seems to respond with some weird arrogance and some weird semi-attacking, semi-insulting attitude which i believe it's unfair.

Always trying to make "a point" while always changing "the point" or the context of "your point" .. it's really confusing mate and its weird.

Some times you respond like you had forgotten what you said just before..

Anyway, other than that, we don't actually disagree on why AMR didn't feel comfortable to take that risk with Alonso and choose to take the risk with the driver that had less to lose at that point.

Cheers.

[hollus]

Just a reminder that not everyone here is a native English speaker and that people come from (and write from) different cultural backgrounds with different cultural norms.
If appears to me that you too have been in violent agreement for a few posts now, getting lost in each other’s “what if” scenarios while basically using the same basic conclusions.

Let’s leave it at that?

[Alonsismo]

Well Horner is Free now
Aston must hire him, he is the GOAT of team principals

[wiktor977]

Well Horner is Free now
Aston must hire him, he is the GOAT of team principals

I also wonder if Stroll will go for him. IMO it all depends on the relations between Horner and Newey.

[Alonsismo]

Well Horner is Free now
Aston must hire him, he is the GOAT of team principals

I also wonder if Stroll will go for him. IMO it all depends on the relations between Horner and Newey.

totally agree
if the relation between them is good, then hiring him is a MUST

[Quantum]

Well Horner is Free now
Aston must hire him, he is the GOAT of team principals

He rode on the coattails of a genius, a genius that left Red Bull because of him.
No way Newey leaves RB only to be met with Horner appearing as his boss again.
I don't think Stroll Sr is that stupid.