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Ridiculous and doesn’t bode well for next year. Newey talking to media 24/7 being the face of the team? I don’t believe it, it must be an interim position over the winter with someone else coming at the start of next year. Possibly Horner.

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Badger wrote:
27 Nov 2025, 12:10
Ridiculous and doesn’t bode well for next year. Newey talking to media 24/7 being the face of the team? I don’t believe it, it must be an interim position over the winter with someone else coming at the start of next year. Possibly Horner.
I think he just stay in this position until Melborune, because he wants total control during winter pre season, but, when the "season protocols" and interviews. etc, begins, he will drop off

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Badger wrote:
27 Nov 2025, 12:10
Ridiculous and doesn’t bode well for next year. Newey talking to media 24/7 being the face of the team? I don’t believe it, it must be an interim position over the winter with someone else coming at the start of next year. Possibly Horner.
I don't think so. Newey wants full control, and now he has it. He can delegate the tasks he doesn't want to do to others. Take Ferrari 25 years ago, where Ross Brawn did most of the interviews. It could be similar at Aston Martin, with someone else taking over these tasks. This is purely about control over the team and everything that goes with it. With this "title," he has that. Someone else will take over the typical tasks of a TP. Even if Newey has to agree to certain things, someone else will take over. Mike Krack, for example.

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Badger wrote:
27 Nov 2025, 12:10
Ridiculous and doesn’t bode well for next year. Newey talking to media 24/7 being the face of the team? I don’t believe it, it must be an interim position over the winter with someone else coming at the start of next year. Possibly Horner.

I dont think so, if it was a temporary thing they could have just kept Cowell until they get the right person to fill in the position. What would be the point in switching again after 3 months of plain winter.

Enrico Cardile (chief technical officer), Gioacchino Vino (Chief Aerodynamicist) and Duncan Eliott ( chief designer) werent hired for doing nothing. Newey is not the only one working on the car.

For him to take on this role he may be confident that they are on the right path with the concept and that they can make progress without him being constantly present, ergo a more passive role, where he is still very much involved in the development though.

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Andi76 wrote:
27 Nov 2025, 14:23
Badger wrote:
27 Nov 2025, 12:10
Ridiculous and doesn’t bode well for next year. Newey talking to media 24/7 being the face of the team? I don’t believe it, it must be an interim position over the winter with someone else coming at the start of next year. Possibly Horner.
I don't think so. Newey wants full control, and now he has it. He can delegate the tasks he doesn't want to do to others. Take Ferrari 25 years ago, where Ross Brawn did most of the interviews. It could be similar at Aston Martin, with someone else taking over these tasks. This is purely about control over the team and everything that goes with it. With this "title," he has that. Someone else will take over the typical tasks of a TP. Even if Newey has to agree to certain things, someone else will take over. Mike Krack, for example.
No point calling him TP if he's just going to delegate 75% of what that job is, better to put someone else in that position then and call Adrian CTO or something. Give him full power to make decisions about the car, factory, engineering staff etc. But the TP position means being the face of the team, taking interviews, doing PR events, going to FIA meetings, being present at the races, marketing, HR, race team etc. Those aren't Adrian's strengths. Delegating all of that to someone else and still calling him TP would just be confusing and IMO poor leadership.

This to me feels like a short term solution before someone else is brought in to deal with those tasks, Adrian can be the interim TP over the winter when 90% of the focus is anyways on what he does well which is developing the car.

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peewon wrote:
27 Nov 2025, 05:34
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27 Nov 2025, 02:28
SSJ4 wrote:
26 Nov 2025, 22:06
tobi gruener from amus saying theres rumours about honda engine being overweight
All engines will have some weak point.Weight may be the least of them.
10 Kgs is approximately estimated to be equal to 0.3 to 0.4 secs based on track, etc. under previous regs. This lap time delta also corresponds to about 15 HP. So its not nothing. Obviously, this is only a factor depending on the overall weight of the car.
That 0.3 is very outdated from the refueling era of 600kg cars using grooved tires.

I believe the more accurate amount is around 0.15 with the heavy, more powerful cars.

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Badger wrote:
27 Nov 2025, 14:37
Andi76 wrote:
27 Nov 2025, 14:23
Badger wrote:
27 Nov 2025, 12:10
Ridiculous and doesn’t bode well for next year. Newey talking to media 24/7 being the face of the team? I don’t believe it, it must be an interim position over the winter with someone else coming at the start of next year. Possibly Horner.
I don't think so. Newey wants full control, and now he has it. He can delegate the tasks he doesn't want to do to others. Take Ferrari 25 years ago, where Ross Brawn did most of the interviews. It could be similar at Aston Martin, with someone else taking over these tasks. This is purely about control over the team and everything that goes with it. With this "title," he has that. Someone else will take over the typical tasks of a TP. Even if Newey has to agree to certain things, someone else will take over. Mike Krack, for example.
No point calling him TP if he's just going to delegate 75% of what that job is, better to put someone else in that position then and call Adrian CTO or something. Give him full power to make decisions about the car, factory, engineering staff etc. But the TP position means being the face of the team, taking interviews, doing PR events, going to FIA meetings, being present at the races, marketing, HR, race team etc. Those aren't Adrian's strengths. Delegating all of that to someone else and still calling him TP would just be confusing and IMO poor leadership.

This to me feels like a short term solution before someone else is brought in to deal with those tasks, Adrian can be the interim TP over the winter when 90% of the focus is anyways on what he does well which is developing the car.
It's an interesting development, that is hopefully not short term at all.

To me, it says 1 of 2 things.

Either Newey is satisfied with the progress of the car and has faith in the technical team.

Or, Aston Martin is just a vanity project, and if results aren't immediate, then it's time for the next big name to take charge.

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Statement of Stroll Sr indicate a “mutual agreement between Cowell and Newey”
One of the two is not happy


The CEO role appears to be vacant so probably we can expect someone to fill it. Newey won’t waste time talking to sponsors…

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I recall a podcast of Horner in 2021 where he said “ there is no point of Newey managing a bunch of people because it’d be chaos”

It will be very interesting to follow

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Waz wrote:
27 Nov 2025, 14:50
peewon wrote:
27 Nov 2025, 05:34
Rikrikrik wrote:
27 Nov 2025, 02:28
All engines will have some weak point.Weight may be the least of them.
10 Kgs is approximately estimated to be equal to 0.3 to 0.4 secs based on track, etc. under previous regs. This lap time delta also corresponds to about 15 HP. So its not nothing. Obviously, this is only a factor depending on the overall weight of the car.
That 0.3 is very outdated from the refueling era of 600kg cars using grooved tires.

I believe the more accurate amount is around 0.15 with the heavy, more powerful cars.
This was the figure during the turbo hybrid era as well. I dont know with the current aero regs but I believe when I saw this figure it was from simulations around 2018 cars.

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Nikosar wrote:
27 Nov 2025, 15:26
I recall a podcast of Horner in 2021 where he said “ there is no point of Newey managing a bunch of people because it’d be chaos”

It will be very interesting to follow
It's interesting because as Alonso described it, Newey has been sequestering in his office with very little communications. So to go from a reclusive role to the center of the team and the media seems out of character?
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Nikosar wrote:
27 Nov 2025, 15:26
I recall a podcast of Horner in 2021 where he said “ there is no point of Newey managing a bunch of people because it’d be chaos”

It will be very interesting to follow
He manages 2. Cardile and Krack. Cowell answers to Stroll.