2022 Oracle | Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[Dee]

When it comes to it Mercedes are not one of the fairest.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... gys08.html
Third race into the season and made Bottas give up P2 to Hamilton

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/09/formul ... eam-orders. Hamilton 40 points ahead of Vettel and asked to pull over and give Hamilton the win...

I understand when team orders are needed but do not for one second say that Red Bull are the worst or the most unfair when using them

They are some of the fairest. Compared to Rubens at Ferrari and Perez at RBR? they had no opportunity.

That third race in 2017 with Bottas? hmm lets seee.. after 2 races, he is 20 points behind Hamilton, and also 20 points behind Vettel in Ferrari. Hamilton and Vettel dead even. Who should they maximise in race 3 then? Good team work and fair decision. Later that season, Hamilton requested position from Bottas to try and overtake the Ferrari ahead, and promised to give the position back if he could not progress. By the end of the race, he gave the position back to Valterri. You think this is unfair and poor judgement from Mercedes?

2018 was another season where Ferrari were giving the title a good go, given you can lose a lot of points from DNF and Valterri was out of realistic contention in that phase of the season, it is a good call. A little unfair to Valterri to lose a win but not unfair to ask him to support the title bid. Bottas was behind Hamilton by 100 points and equally a very large amount behind Vettel.

its fair enough to give drivers an equal opportunity to take command of the team and be backed as the title favourite to build the team's strategy around.

When was Perez ever given unfair team orders by RB?

Ferrari are the worst. Still not over that Russia race in 2019. They do more than unfair team orders, they actively sabotage their drivers for the benefit of whoever is the No 1

[ringo]

Red Bull sure is hoping the salary cap doesn't include driver salaries any time soon!

Do you think that could be why the long contract? Oops, sorry F1 its already signed and we can not change it next year, or the one after you will have to wait until it expires

Is it possible to load up the driver contract and in the future redirect those funds to the car?

I think this long term deal was pushed by Jos and not Max.
I think he wants Max to be the GOAT and hr thinks this long term deal will give Max enough shots to rack up world championships.
What would be very interesting is if Hamilton retires from Mercedes and Redbull convince him to race alongside Max in 2024.

This 50 mil a year to me indicatez there are no escape clauses regarding team performance this amount of money is a high risk deal and all in for both parties.

And i wouldnt compare hamilton. Him and Max are not on the same level. One has 100+ wins and 7 titles. He could be as bad as vettel is, he would still be able to comand 40 million.
Alonso was commanding a very high pay from ferrari long after he won his 2 titles.

[PlatinumZealot]

It's about future value. They see Max breaking records with them.

He said he has achieved his dream with with one championship so he should be driving more relaxed now. It's now a matter of maintaining motivation to keep going at the highest level in a closer field than ever before.

It won't be easy.

[Ryar]

It's fun to see Hamilton's position as highest grosser being shaken by a super talented 24 year old driver.

A driver that was lucky to get 2 second a lap faster car for 7 long years that no one had in the modern F1 era, is somehow a greater achiever and justified to command 50+ million pay and a talented driver that beat him in equal machinery getting the deal is a stuff is a problem. A driver that hasn't won a single race yet getting 25 million a year deal is a lot funny in my opinion.

It's a massive statement by Red Bull Racing of their intent to stay in F1, that they are willing to pay such a retainer with that long contract. While there are always question marks over Mercedes' long term commitment to the sport.

[Ryar]

Lets say you are a new driver in 2023 If you know you are number two for six years.... How will you take this? If you are just as fast as Max how will you take this?

This. Talking as if one has read the contract. Like Lewis always highlighted, team harmony is more important than two strong drivers. Red Bull just need their Bottas and build good cars.

[xaero]

a talented driver that beat him in equal machinery

everyone knows how "Crasht" err.. he beat hamilton in equal machinery

[dans79]

It's a massive statement by Red Bull Racing of their intent to stay in F1, that they are willing to pay such a retainer with that long contract. While there are always question marks over Mercedes' long term commitment to the sport.

Lol,now thats funny, The team that has made a habit of publicly threatening to quit whenever they aren't competitive is now in it for the long haul!

As myself and others have already said Both Max and the team will for sure have exit/termination clauses galore in the contract. Not to mention Red Bull has no other viable alternatives, Charles is bound to Ferrari, George to Merc, and Lando to McLaren. The contract is just as much a safety net as it is anything else. No other top tier drivers are going to be available for a while, and the Red Bull junior program has had a lot of duds lately!

[AtlasZX]

When was Perez ever given unfair team orders by RB?

A lot of times Perez had to set the fastest lap in order to stole the point from Hamilton, he had to box and lose positions.
Plus, at Abu Dhabi they retired his car even if it was perfectly running, bcs they saw some strange values and wanted to avoid at all costs a new yellow flag for Hamilton, even if 99.9% Perez could have finished the race.

[Ryar]

It's a massive statement by Red Bull Racing of their intent to stay in F1, that they are willing to pay such a retainer with that long contract. While there are always question marks over Mercedes' long term commitment to the sport.

Lol,now thats funny, The team that has made a habit of publicly threatening to quit whenever they aren't competitive is now in it for the long haul!

As myself and others have already said Both Max and the team will for sure have exit/termination clauses galore in the contract. Not to mention Red Bull has no other viable alternatives, Charles is bound to Ferrari, George to Merc, and Lando to McLaren. The contract is just as much a safety net as it is anything else. No other top tier drivers are going to be available for a while, and the Red Bull junior program has had a lot of duds lately!

Threatening is one thing and selling off stakes is another, like Mercedes did!

As for driver situation, I don't remember when was the last time Red Bull hired a top driver from the grid! It would be too naive to declare, "duds" without even having given an opportunity. Atleast Red Bull still has liam and vips who are high potential. What's the situation with Mercedes? If Lewis loses this year, which can happen with George next to him, what's the alternative for 2023? The drama of replacing him would start soon and Mercedes has nothing in sight!

[Just_a_fan]

A driver that was lucky to get 2 second a lap faster car for 7 long years

Ah, relying on this old junk, eh?

[mclaren111]

A driver that was lucky to get 2 second a lap faster car for 7 long years

Ah, relying on this old junk, eh?

Ryar is 100% correct...

[Just_a_fan]

A driver that was lucky to get 2 second a lap faster car for 7 long years

Ah, relying on this old junk, eh?

Ryar is 100% correct...

Er, no he isn't. But it's a nice trope to bash Hamilton with for those that dislike him for their own various reasons.

[Juzh]

When was Perez ever given unfair team orders by RB?

A lot of times Perez had to set the fastest lap in order to stole the point from Hamilton, he had to box and lose positions.
Plus, at Abu Dhabi they retired his car even if it was perfectly running, bcs they saw some strange values and wanted to avoid at all costs a new yellow flag for Hamilton, even if 99.9% Perez could have finished the race.

All these decisions played a role in eventual WDC for verstappen, meanwhile they had minimal impact on Perez' season as a whole. By pitting in silverstone perez lost 2 points at most but took 1 off hamilton in the process. This single point proved almost decisive when going into the final race and on the last lap.
If they'd let Perez out in abu dhabi just to break down on track they'd be the biggest bunch of idiots on the whole grid.

[ispano6]

When was Perez ever given unfair team orders by RB?

A lot of times Perez had to set the fastest lap in order to stole the point from Hamilton, he had to box and lose positions.
Plus, at Abu Dhabi they retired his car even if it was perfectly running, bcs they saw some strange values and wanted to avoid at all costs a new yellow flag for Hamilton, even if 99.9% Perez could have finished the race.

All these decisions played a role in eventual WDC for verstappen, meanwhile they had minimal impact on Perez' season as a whole. By pitting in silverstone perez lost 2 points at most but took 1 off hamilton in the process. This single point proved almost decisive when going into the final race and on the last lap.
If they'd let Perez out in abu dhabi just to break down on track they'd be the biggest bunch of idiots on the whole grid.

No point in trying to convince someone who thinks Perez finishing 3rd in the last race is worth more than Max becoming WDC.

Clearly Max is held in high esteem at RedBull. He is worth the risk and deserves his contract. There will be good and bad days, but any teammate he has will get a chance to measure up to him. Perez isn't quite what Bottas was for his team, so hopefully He will be better this year and help win the constructors championship.

[Big Tea]

It's fun to see Hamilton's position as highest grosser being shaken by a super talented 24 year old driver.

A driver that was lucky to get 2 second a lap faster car for 7 long years that no one had in the modern F1 era, is somehow a greater achiever and justified to command 50+ million pay and a talented driver that beat him in equal machinery getting the deal is a stuff is a problem. A driver that hasn't won a single race yet getting 25 million a year deal is a lot funny in my opinion.

It's a massive statement by Red Bull Racing of their intent to stay in F1, that they are willing to pay such a retainer with that long contract. While there are always question marks over Mercedes' long term commitment to the sport.

Remember this is his salary set for 8 years into the future, and most of Hamilton's is on previous negotiations.
Compare your salary now with that of 8 years ago and it will not look fat

TBH I'm happy for him and hope he sticks around to collect