scuderiabrandon wrote: ↑05 Oct 2023, 00:08
Xyz22 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2023, 00:05
scuderiabrandon wrote: ↑05 Oct 2023, 00:01
Both McLarens had another 2 tenths in the bag in qualy where neither drivers could put it together, I believe Piastri was up 0.2s in S1 alone.
If I recall correctly CL did his ideal lap on the last Q3 lap. If anything it shows how hard it is to be a consistently good qualifier.
Maybe they could have gone quicker in quali, but Norris had a massive advantage in the race on Ferrari (way bigger than 0.2s).
They also had a different tyre allocation. And even if you factor out the tyre advantage they have there is still a good chunk of raw performance in that gap, it is not all tyre.
I agree I think they aren't at the point where they are able to push for 57 laps but even with pretty heavy management the pace is on par with Mercedes and Aston two teams who have had better tyre performance all year.
I'm not counting Aston because something "shady" is going on there for sure.
Maybe i wasn't clear in my previous posts. What i meant is the performance on race day is worse than qualifying relatively to competitors.
Example:
- Leclerc gap from Piastri in quali: 0.1s
- Hamilton gap from Leclerc in quali: 0.35s
What was the avg gap in the race compared to Norris (in this case the fastest McL) and Lewis? The gap compared to McL increased significantly and the advantage over Mercedes decreased (thankfully not to the extent of previous races. For sure there was an improvement in that regard as already said).
Using F1 Pace
CouncilorIrissa wrote: ↑05 Oct 2023, 02:45
Xyz22 wrote:dialtone wrote: ↑04 Oct 2023, 23:43
Not in the last couple of races actually. And given Singapore is hard to tell given the weird race, in Suzuka Ferrari qualified and raced where it belonged.
The change in setup has made it so they heat their tires less in quali which gives an edge in the race but worse quali.
The gap to McL was still much bigger in the race compared to qualifying, though.
Overall, the situation improved, but still far from being ideal.
The SF 70H is like the last car that performed in the opposite way, i believe.
Yeah, it all started as early as 2018 Chinese GP. Ferrari had enormous one-lap advantage over Mercedes (half a second I believe) that just disappeared come the race day. The car was slower than both Mercedes (even in the hands of Bottas) and RB. I remember being very bewildered by that. Who knew that that was a sign of things to come…
Also wanted to say hi to everyone who frequents this topic, I’ve been in read-only for many years, but finally decided to join.
Hi, welcome.
Indeed, everything started with the SF 71H but that car was still amazing in race trim, before the Singapore upgrade which made the car slower.
Things got really bad (awful) in 2019. One of the "worst" example was Hungary where the gap in quali was around 0.5s and in the race close to 1s.
. Just want to stay optimist.
