He was told not to push. So not representative at all.
RB and Max were managing Lando very well, and Max was not reacting to Lando because they knew they will finish the race ahead on lap 66.sport777 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2024, 23:22Also, Hamilton gave up pushing the last 10-12 laps, he definitely wanted to do the fastest lap at the end, but Bono said definitely not, although Lewis said that he could well have put him at the endAR3-GP wrote: ↑23 Jun 2024, 22:43The relevant gap is actually Hamilton vs Norris, not Hamilton vs Verstappen in that final stint. Everyone is chasing Mclaren.
On lap 52 the gap between them was 6.5. At the end it was 15.5. 9 seconds in 14 laps is around 6 tenths a lap slower. Tire offset was only 3 laps in favor of Norris.
Not sure if you quoted me accidentally? But after lap 52 he’d have backed off bud; the quick calc is simply pace thru laps 1 - 52 only
Well, there are no first ones, McLaren was a little faster today, Mercedes a little slower, the Red Bull car is actually not that effective anymore, it seems to me that McLaren and Merc and Ferrari are on the same level, it’s just that Verstappen makes this car at the level of other top teams, let’s say this Red Bull Stroll will turn out to be Perez
I didnt say redbull was definitely faster. I questioned that Mclaren was the outright fastest car. For me its inconclusive because Max had the pace to easily pass george while lando didnt. So for me in that opening stint redbull must have been faster than mclaren.
Gotcha. I originally misread what you wrote. But we cant use that math as a true indicator of pace because lewis was being held up by George.214270 wrote: ↑24 Jun 2024, 01:28Not sure if you quoted me accidentally? But after lap 52 he’d have backed off bud; the quick calc is simply pace thru laps 1 - 52 only
In general, I think that Merce is, in principle, one of the leaders, given that soon they will have enough time in the pipe, they can improve greatly and get ahead of the rest of the top teams, it was significant that Lewis at the end wanted to set the fastest lap, but they answered him no, he was sure that it was quite possible, this tells us that Lewis definitely had a reserveHammerfist wrote: ↑24 Jun 2024, 02:02I didnt say redbull was definitely faster. I questioned that Mclaren was the outright fastest car. For me its inconclusive because Max had the pace to easily pass george while lando didnt. So for me in that opening stint redbull must have been faster than mclaren.
Its hard to know where Merc is. The faster Merc was being held up until lap 52 and was told to manage when finally in clear air. I dont think the 2 tenths a lap shows lewis real pace. He was limited by george. I think there was a brief window when they pitted george and Lewis was in clean air basically matching max until they both pitted around the same time. But thats only a handful of laps. So also inconclusive imo.
George knows the tyres need nursing... But he doesnt care. He is so thirsty for the spot light.
It was clear that Lando was going to eat the Mercs alive pretty soon, might as well just let him by like Hamilton did.ringo wrote: ↑24 Jun 2024, 04:27George knows the tyres need nursing... But he doesnt care. He is so thirsty for the spot light.
"Look at me, i'm just as good as Max and Lando". We get it George! Just stay focused and be more measured. George is fast, can defend and can counter attack. His fight with Norrise was lovely to see. But it was misplaced.
His white knuckle pace just to run at front is also misplaced. It's like he only thinks about now on lap one. Not on getting to lap 66. A true gambler. Nico Rosberg had this mentality going up against Lewis. He needed to be on pole and needed to be ahead by lap 1. Both just don't want to deal with racing Lewis across stints so they get desperate.
I think George can manage tyres. He showed it many times. He just gets too impulsive in the moment.
In the end it's a driver strategy for the race rather than what's car capable of. VER said after the race that it was primordial to pass RUS as soon as possible in order to manage his tyre for the entire race. LAN does the opposite opting for longer stints that needs more tyre management in doing that thing ...Hammerfist wrote: ↑24 Jun 2024, 02:02I didnt say redbull was definitely faster. I questioned that Mclaren was the outright fastest car. For me its inconclusive because Max had the pace to easily pass george while Lando didnt. So for me in that opening stint redbull must have been faster than mclaren.
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Kallenius, chairman of the board of management of Mercedes-Benz Group AG, has now made it clear that Verstappen is firmly on his radar, believing the new regulations firmly open the door.
"The best driver wants to have the best car," said Kallenius, speaking to Sky Sports Germany. "And that's our job, to bring the best package together.
"The cards will be reshuffled in 2026. New order with new rules. That's also an opportunity.
"But I think Max would look good in silver, wouldn't he?"