2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[yooogurt]

Remember when some people mocked Leclerc for being "only" 0.6s quicker than Bearman?

In Baku, Bearman was quicker than Hulkenberg pretty much

Well, we've got a great replacement for when Lewis retires.

[LM10]

Seems like it’s impossible for Charles to have a completely clean weekend with everything working the way they should. I’m still waiting for it.

The recovery in the race was very good and showed what was possible. Balance of the car, when in the optimal operating window, is excellent.

McLaren is not a rocketship. In Baku it was clearly slower on one lap and also slower in race pace (even more so considering the Mini-DRS) and in Singapore the SF-24 was at least on the same level in both qualifying and race. Even Charles said they were up for a 1-2 in qualifying.

McLaren’s front wing was flexing like crazy again. It’s about time Ferrari bring their own, but maybe we won’t see it before next year because the new front wing, besides seeming to be a good step forward, is like concrete in comparison to McLaren’s.

[ScuderiaLeo]

Remember when some people mocked Leclerc for being "only" 0.6s quicker than Bearman?

In Baku, Bearman was quicker than Hulkenberg pretty much

And also that Ferrari made a mistake by trusting Bearman, that Bearman's result in Jeddah was purely luck, that he would immediately get his ass kicked in F1... For whatever reason, some people really want the kid to fail.

F2 has more talent than F1 can accommodate, and drivers like Bearman and Colapinto are proof of that. While I don't think Bearman has the same potential as rookie prodigies like Leclerc and Piastri based on his progress since F4, I can see him developing into a driver similar to Sainz. Near the top of the field with the ability to secure a few wins along the way.

Ferrari has a strong lineup of potential members in the future between Bearman, Câmara, and Taponen.

[Vanja #66]

It's a shame that Ferrari keeps losing points, but frankly I think the gap to McLaren is insurmountable and P2/P3 doesn't really matter much to Ferrari, given their infinite resources.

I don't think bonuses other than WCC position bonuses (coming from FOM) can pass under budget cap, but I may have misunderstood that...

I think in Baku it was possible p1 and p2 (If Charles had kept Oscar behind, then he would have killed the tyres and would have been vulnerable to attacks towards the end of the race), in Singapore, well I believe in Charles magic in quali, and probably p1 and p5 maybe p4 (Even at p2 after the quali, with these Lando tactics, we will had the option of doing the undercard for free)

Sounds a bit too optimistic for me tbh, but in perfect races I guess both were possible

Remember when some people mocked Leclerc for being "only" 0.6s quicker than Bearman?

In Baku, Bearman was quicker than Hulkenberg pretty much

Yeah, people love having reverse logic when it comes to sports. When a rookie does well relative to his team mate, it's never an outsatnding job from the rookie, it's always the team mate who failed...

[yooogurt]

By the way yes, top 3 in WCC will give us a lot of bonuses in wind tunnel and cfd in preparation for 2026. Maybe that's a good thing.

[bananapeel23]

It's a shame that Ferrari keeps losing points, but frankly I think the gap to McLaren is insurmountable and P2/P3 doesn't really matter much to Ferrari, given their infinite resources.

I don't think bonuses other than WCC position bonuses (coming from FOM) can pass under budget cap, but I may have misunderstood that...

I meant that Ferrari doesn't care about prize money because they are limited by the budget capm so WCC position doesn't really matter all that much.

[yooogurt]

I meant that Ferrari doesn't care about prize money because they are limited by the budget capm so WCC position doesn't really matter all that much.

We have the historical bonus payout, or whatever it is. I remember that in 2020, Ferrari got more payout for 6th place in the WCC than Merc did for first.

[bananapeel23]

I meant that Ferrari doesn't care about prize money because they are limited by the budget capm so WCC position doesn't really matter all that much.

We have the historical bonus payout, or whatever it is. I remember that in 2020, Ferrari got more payout for 6th place in the WCC than Merc did for first.

Ferrari has infinite money. It's insane how much funding they have and how much they would be spending if they got rid of the budget cap.

[Vanja #66]

I meant that Ferrari doesn't care about prize money because they are limited by the budget capm so WCC position doesn't really matter all that much.

Yeah I understood, but I think these WCC position bonuses for employees are excluded so they could end up being used as intended - end of year bonus for a job well done

[CouncilorIrissa]

What are your opinions on points lost in the last 2 races? What's the number?

The way I see it, Baku should have been P1+P3 and here I think it was most likely P2+P5 with proper Q3. Overall 22p lost in Baku and 12p here, so 34p overall. Should have jumped over Red Bull in WCC and made it a much closer fight with McL.

WCC P2 would be a good result and a decent reward for team personel, but I'm not sure if Sainz is interested in keeping up with his high level results. Both Baku incident and yesterday's crash were avoidable, unexpected lack of judgement from his side in both cases. (not blaming him for Baku crash, but it was avoidable, everyone knows what a hot head Checo can be)

Baku was winnable; I've never subscribed to the idea that we were slower on hards than McL. Charles said he wasn't comfortable on hards, but given that Sainz managed to catch up, I'm pretty sure that Charles would've done even better in clean air -- around Baku he's not generally faster, he's always faster than Sainz.

The cars hit the cliff on mediums, but Charles's inlap was actually faster than the lap before. I think he lost around .25-.3 seconds in the last two corners which might've been the difference between victory and P2.


So that's 7+12 points lost in Baku, the 12 being the loss from Sainz's crash. In Singapore I think the team could've achieved P2 and P4 at the very least. So that's another 8 + 6 points lost. So 33 points in total.

All in all the outcome of the last two races is triggering me to no end. So annoying.

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The cars hit the cliff on mediums, but Charles's inlap was actually faster than the lap before. I think he lost around .25-.3 seconds in the last two corners which might've been the difference between victory and P2.

The main loss was after pitlane on acceleration to the first detection point, it cost 1.4 sec

[ScuderiaLeo]

Did the team talk about the front wing update and how it performed? I didn't see them mention it, only that they all talked about trying to fix the tire window for Austin and beyond.

[Vanja #66]

All in all the outcome of the last two races is triggering me to no end. So annoying.

Indeed it is and it's very much car related in the end. Neither issue would be an issue with SF23 and it's not like that car was eating tyres like W15 often does, already in R2 in Jeddah it had a fairly stable race pace and after Barcelona updates it was also further improved on race pace and kept improving throughout the season. By the end of the year Leclerc had basically the same pace on Mediums and Hards as Verstappen, but often lacked a bit on the other compound in the same race.

It was clear since Japan SF24 is too gentle with tyres in Q and they over-corrected this feature of SF23, but it wasn't a frustrating issue as it didn't cost them any wins realistically. Right now an easy win and a good shot at the win were lost because of tyre warm up and it would completely change the outlook of this season and obviously the WCC fight.

And people were angry that Cardille was let go so easily and Serra was recruited in his place last year

Did the team talk about the front wing update and how it performed? I didn't see them mention it, only that they all talked about trying to fix the tire window for Austin and beyond.

Nothing to talk about honestly, it was tested in FP1 with Leclerc and both cars used it since FP2. They aren't going back to Imola spec for sure, this was a performance update and not circuit related

[.Bole]

I think as f1uno pointed, our new fw doesnt flex as much as mclaren’s. Its first iteration, they probably went more conservative due to rules and having less experience with that stuff

[yooogurt]

I think as f1uno pointed, our new fw doesnt flex as much as mclaren’s. Its first iteration, they probably went more conservative due to rules and having less experience with that stuff

Maybe that's the limit of the car, and making the wings more flexible would be a detriment.