Well, we've got a great replacement for when Lewis retires.
Well, we've got a great replacement for when Lewis retires.
And also that Ferrari made a mistake by trusting Bearman, that Bearman's result in Jeddah was purely luck, that he would immediately get his ass kicked in F1... For whatever reason, some people really want the kid to fail.
I don't think bonuses other than WCC position bonuses (coming from FOM) can pass under budget cap, but I may have misunderstood that...bananapeel23 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 21:02It's a shame that Ferrari keeps losing points, but frankly I think the gap to McLaren is insurmountable and P2/P3 doesn't really matter much to Ferrari, given their infinite resources.
Sounds a bit too optimistic for me tbh, but in perfect races I guess both were possibleyooogurt wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 21:03I think in Baku it was possible p1 and p2 (If Charles had kept Oscar behind, then he would have killed the tyres and would have been vulnerable to attacks towards the end of the race), in Singapore, well I believe in Charles magic in quali, and probably p1 and p5 maybe p4 (Even at p2 after the quali, with these Lando tactics, we will had the option of doing the undercard for free)
Yeah, people love having reverse logic when it comes to sports. When a rookie does well relative to his team mate, it's never an outsatnding job from the rookie, it's always the team mate who failed...
I meant that Ferrari doesn't care about prize money because they are limited by the budget capm so WCC position doesn't really matter all that much.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 21:38I don't think bonuses other than WCC position bonuses (coming from FOM) can pass under budget cap, but I may have misunderstood that...bananapeel23 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 21:02It's a shame that Ferrari keeps losing points, but frankly I think the gap to McLaren is insurmountable and P2/P3 doesn't really matter much to Ferrari, given their infinite resources.
We have the historical bonus payout, or whatever it is. I remember that in 2020, Ferrari got more payout for 6th place in the WCC than Merc did for first.bananapeel23 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 22:02I meant that Ferrari doesn't care about prize money because they are limited by the budget capm so WCC position doesn't really matter all that much.
Ferrari has infinite money. It's insane how much funding they have and how much they would be spending if they got rid of the budget cap.yooogurt wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 22:08We have the historical bonus payout, or whatever it is. I remember that in 2020, Ferrari got more payout for 6th place in the WCC than Merc did for first.bananapeel23 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 22:02I meant that Ferrari doesn't care about prize money because they are limited by the budget capm so WCC position doesn't really matter all that much.
Yeah I understood, but I think these WCC position bonuses for employees are excluded so they could end up being used as intended - end of year bonus for a job well donebananapeel23 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 22:02I meant that Ferrari doesn't care about prize money because they are limited by the budget capm so WCC position doesn't really matter all that much.
Baku was winnable; I've never subscribed to the idea that we were slower on hards than McL. Charles said he wasn't comfortable on hards, but given that Sainz managed to catch up, I'm pretty sure that Charles would've done even better in clean air -- around Baku he's not generally faster, he's always faster than Sainz.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 20:49What are your opinions on points lost in the last 2 races? What's the number?
The way I see it, Baku should have been P1+P3 and here I think it was most likely P2+P5 with proper Q3. Overall 22p lost in Baku and 12p here, so 34p overall. Should have jumped over Red Bull in WCC and made it a much closer fight with McL.
WCC P2 would be a good result and a decent reward for team personel, but I'm not sure if Sainz is interested in keeping up with his high level results. Both Baku incident and yesterday's crash were avoidable, unexpected lack of judgement from his side in both cases. (not blaming him for Baku crash, but it was avoidable, everyone knows what a hot head Checo can be)
The main loss was after pitlane on acceleration to the first detection point, it cost 1.4 secCouncilorIrissa wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 00:41The cars hit the cliff on mediums, but Charles's inlap was actually faster than the lap before. I think he lost around .25-.3 seconds in the last two corners which might've been the difference between victory and P2.
Indeed it is and it's very much car related in the end. Neither issue would be an issue with SF23 and it's not like that car was eating tyres like W15 often does, already in R2 in Jeddah it had a fairly stable race pace and after Barcelona updates it was also further improved on race pace and kept improving throughout the season. By the end of the year Leclerc had basically the same pace on Mediums and Hards as Verstappen, but often lacked a bit on the other compound in the same race.CouncilorIrissa wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 00:41All in all the outcome of the last two races is triggering me to no end. So annoying.
Nothing to talk about honestly, it was tested in FP1 with Leclerc and both cars used it since FP2. They aren't going back to Imola spec for sure, this was a performance update and not circuit relatedScuderiaLeo wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 01:01Did the team talk about the front wing update and how it performed? I didn't see them mention it, only that they all talked about trying to fix the tire window for Austin and beyond.
Maybe that's the limit of the car, and making the wings more flexible would be a detriment.