2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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AR3-GP wrote:
23 Oct 2024, 15:23
Forgive me but why do people think soft tires favor Red Bull?
McLaren and Ferrari have seemed better on the harder compounds I'd say?

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Bill wrote:
23 Oct 2024, 15:24
Wouter wrote:
23 Oct 2024, 13:29
basti313 wrote:
23 Oct 2024, 13:10

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I would not aim like this at Honda, it is corporate and corporate makes discissions.

The interesting point in any case is how Yuki ended up in the Alpha Tauri. Was there anything in the engine contract or was he cheap? Is Honda paying his salary?

If it is the salary, nothing changes, Yuki will stay in the RB maybe even for 26. The biggest issue is that he can not go to Aston.
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At the end of 2018, Tsunoda was announced to join Jenzer Motorsport in the newly announced FIA Formula 3 Championship.
Before that he was racing in the Japanese F4.
One day Helmut Marko was watching Yuki at a race in F3 and then he became a RB junior driver, so RB payed everything for Yuki.
Tsunoda also competed for Motopark in the Euroformula Open Championship, following the cancellation of Formula European Masters.

Helmut Marko put Yuki in the AlphaTauri and NO he wasn't cheap and No Honda didn't pay his salary! #-o
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yuki is from Honda school no doubt that's why Honda management are pushing for him to be in a redbull .Honda shouldn't be in these position begging and hoping that redbull make a star out of their home driver.they made some very stupid decision in the past and they are paying for them. they are a large organization they should have weathered the financial crises storm.they strengthened their competitor merc. greed got the better of them.
as to who paid for yuki European junior series no one has the paper to prove its just speculation
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Do you know what it means for a driver when he becomes a member of a teams junior team?
Everything will be paid for is one of the pleasant side effects.
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Wouter wrote:
23 Oct 2024, 16:34
Bill wrote:
23 Oct 2024, 15:24
Wouter wrote:
23 Oct 2024, 13:29

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At the end of 2018, Tsunoda was announced to join Jenzer Motorsport in the newly announced FIA Formula 3 Championship.
Before that he was racing in the Japanese F4.
One day Helmut Marko was watching Yuki at a race in F3 and then he became a RB junior driver, so RB payed everything for Yuki.
Tsunoda also competed for Motopark in the Euroformula Open Championship, following the cancellation of Formula European Masters.

Helmut Marko put Yuki in the AlphaTauri and NO he wasn't cheap and No Honda didn't pay his salary! #-o
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yuki is from Honda school no doubt that's why Honda management are pushing for him to be in a redbull .Honda shouldn't be in these position begging and hoping that redbull make a star out of their home driver.they made some very stupid decision in the past and they are paying for them. they are a large organization they should have weathered the financial crises storm.they strengthened their competitor merc. greed got the better of them.
as to who paid for yuki European junior series no one has the paper to prove its just speculation
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Do you know what it means for a driver when he becomes a member of a teams junior team?
Everything will be paid for is one of the pleasant side effects.
I think you are completely missing the point, that Yuki is part of the Honda Formula Dream Project since 2016. So, much before RedBull could pay for anything, his seat was paid by Honda. This program was criticized, because it did nothing else but paying the seat. If your are good every year more for a higher class, but no real "mentoring" as Marco does.
In 2019 they announced to change to an additional mentoring program, which...surprise, surprise...ties with multiple drivers becoming RedBull Juniors by then. There was no mentor installed by Honda, they used RedBull for this.

So...we do not know the contracts, but do you think the Honda money just drops away, once they announce to improve the program? In my terms this rather means more money...
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basti313 wrote:
23 Oct 2024, 17:13
Wouter wrote:
23 Oct 2024, 16:34
Bill wrote:
23 Oct 2024, 15:24

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yuki is from Honda school no doubt that's why Honda management are pushing for him to be in a redbull .Honda shouldn't be in these position begging and hoping that redbull make a star out of their home driver.they made some very stupid decision in the past and they are paying for them. they are a large organization they should have weathered the financial crises storm.they strengthened their competitor merc. greed got the better of them.
as to who paid for yuki European junior series no one has the paper to prove its just speculation
.
Do you know what it means for a driver when he becomes a member of a teams junior team?
Everything will be paid for is one of the pleasant side effects.
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I think you are completely missing the point, that Yuki is part of the Honda Formula Dream Project since 2016. So, much before RedBull could pay for anything, his seat was paid by Honda. This program was criticized, because it did nothing else but paying the seat. If your are good every year more for a higher class, but no real "mentoring" as Marco does.
In 2019 they announced to change to an additional mentoring program, which...surprise, surprise...ties with multiple drivers becoming RedBull Juniors by then. There was no mentor installed by Honda, they used RedBull for this.

So...we do not know the contracts, but do you think the Honda money just drops away, once they announce to improve the program? In my terms this rather means more money...
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You were asking if Honda is paying his salary, didn't you?

NO, Honda isn't paying his salary. Red Bull is paying his salary.
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basti313 wrote:
23 Oct 2024, 13:10
Was there anything in the engine contract or was he cheap? Is Honda paying his salary?

If it is the salary, nothing changes, Yuki will stay in the RB maybe even for 26. The biggest issue is that he can not go to Aston.
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basti313 wrote:
23 Oct 2024, 17:13

I think you are completely missing the point, that Yuki is part of the Honda Formula Dream Project since 2016. So, much before RedBull could pay for anything, his seat was paid by Honda. This program was criticized, because it did nothing else but paying the seat. If your are good every year more for a higher class, but no real "mentoring" as Marco does.
In 2019 they announced to change to an additional mentoring program, which...surprise, surprise...ties with multiple drivers becoming RedBull Juniors by then. There was no mentor installed by Honda, they used RedBull for this.

So...we do not know the contracts, but do you think the Honda money just drops away, once they announce to improve the program? In my terms this rather means more money...
There are plenty of fast drivers in HFD program that could match European talent. The did hire Takuma Sato and other professional drivers but once you're in F1 and Red Bull jr, you go through all the physical training Yuki did. Liam probably has started on that regimen but he's still got a kid's body. Let's see if RB favor Liam and simply give him better set up and strategy.

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Translated by DeepL:

Ralf Bach | October 23, 2024, 10:39 a.m.

Sergio Perez has to worry about his Red Bull cockpit just before his home race in Mexico.

Just before his home race, there is a big question mark about the future of the Mexican national hero. For Sergio Perez (34), the Mexican GP this weekend is the first of five races in which he has to prove that he is the one who deserves the place next to world champion Max Verstappen in the Red Bull next year.

But after the US GP in Austin, which once again did not go well for Perez, a lot of things look like a farewell. Reason: While Verstappen took another step towards his fourth world championship title with his second place, Perez fell behind in the same car. In seventh place, a frightening 40 seconds behind his teammate, the Mexican only collected good arguments to relieve him of his suffering.

The fact that he has a contract for 2025 doesn't help him. Red Bull chief advisor Helmut Marko (81) makes it clear again on
F1-Insider.com: "Perez may have a contract, but Formula 1 is a performance-based society. If the performance isn't right,
contracts are of no use.
At the end of the season, we will sit down together and then decide who is the best teammate for Verstappen at Red Bull."


One thing is certain: things are looking particularly bleak for Perez. There are already persistent rumors that he will announce his retirement after his race in Mexico. He has so far denied this. Red Bull also knows nothing about it. "I don't know anything about any thoughts of retirement," explains Helmut Marko. Despite Lawson's fantastic performance in Austin, he stresses: "Nothing has been decided yet."

https://f1-insider.com/formel-1-liam-la ... pit-64749/
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Wouter wrote:
23 Oct 2024, 17:57
You were asking if Honda is paying his salary, didn't you?

NO, Honda isn't paying his salary. Red Bull is paying his salary.
Come on...we are not, in fact, just playing with words here, right?
You can in the same way claim, that RedBull is paying the salary of Perez, of course...if you want to play with words.
But does it play any role? My point is, that the money in the end comes from someone else. In case of Perez from Mexico, on case of Yuki from Japan. Which is at least an interesting similarity.
ispano6 wrote:
23 Oct 2024, 18:00
Liam probably has started on that regimen but he's still got a kid's body.
I would not read anything into this. People react different on training. It would be surprising and a quick end to his career if he is not at 100% after this much prep time he had.
ispano6 wrote:
23 Oct 2024, 18:00
Let's see if RB favor Liam and simply give him better set up and strategy.
Paranoia? Why should any team compromise, especially if they want to have a genuine shoot out?
In the end it is mostly mistaken here...of course the driver needs to bring proper feedback and makes his own bed in Q...bad Q, Bad strategy often goes together as they need to do something different.
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