2024 São Paulo Grand Prix - Interlagos, Nov 01 - 03

[langedweil]

Not that I have any desire for another penalty, but qualies get cancelled, SC's get on track because of rain, penalty points are given because one jumps a fabricated VSC ending by 0.063s ... all for safety, all to avoid the slightest chance of another Bianchi scenario.

More like for an illusion of safety. Just imagine what the FIA would do if someone gets seriously injured or dies anyway? Cancel wet running? Fast turns? Speed limiter?
And by the way, Since the Bianchi crash was a driver failure, they should scrutinize reckless driving. (The Hubert crash was also because of reckless driving and the FIA trademark paved danger run-offs...)

But yet we keep driving and swapping drivers while a driver is walking 50cm next to a seriously wet track, and just fine a Mickey Mouse sum when the safety measures around a restart are are not followed. It's kinda ridiculous ...

What is this about? It might have escaped my attention.

1st part is ridiculous, 2nd is sprint and race related .. pretty clear I'd say.

[Vanja #66]

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[dialtone]

It's a silly technicality. Adjusting the pressure pre-race with the tyre on or off the car has zero sporting impact so long as the pressure is within the stipulated levels.

Take the rule out then. Rules are there to deal with certain procedures, we're even talking about water in tires and we violate procedure and fine 5000... This is just a clownshow.

Rules are never 100% adapted for every scenario, hence we have stewards. They obviously decided there were mitigating circumstances here. Personally IDC about the ruling because the infringement carries zero sporting benefit, it's a pure pre-race technicality, unlike the example you brought up with the endurance race.

So turns out from a Ferrari press release that Ferrari used 2 extra tires purely for the grid formation (lap from pits to grid) and not during the race due to a small mistake.

No sporting advantage was gained from this. 4 minutes 55 seconds penalty.

I repeat, embarrassing stewarding.

[langedweil]

Take the rule out then. Rules are there to deal with certain procedures, we're even talking about water in tires and we violate procedure and fine 5000... This is just a clownshow.

Rules are never 100% adapted for every scenario, hence we have stewards. They obviously decided there were mitigating circumstances here. Personally IDC about the ruling because the infringement carries zero sporting benefit, it's a pure pre-race technicality, unlike the example you brought up with the endurance race.

So turns out from a Ferrari press release that Ferrari used 2 extra tires purely for the grid formation (lap from pits to grid) and not during the race due to a small mistake.

No sporting advantage was gained from this. 4 minutes 55 seconds penalty.

I repeat, embarrassing stewarding.

Couldnt make any sense, but this is WEC right ?
But indeed, stewarding based on outcome (after the race) is ridiculous, especially when about safety ..

[dialtone]

Couldnt make any sense, but this is WEC right ?
But indeed, stewarding based on outcome (after the race) is ridiculous, especially when about safety ..

Yes, that's WEC. Mentioning because it happened this weekend as well and due to a minor procedural mistake Ferrari was docked a 2nd place. And hey, they made the mistake so shame on them. Somehow though this only applies to Ferrari.

[langedweil]

Couldnt make any sense, but this is WEC right ?
But indeed, stewarding based on outcome (after the race) is ridiculous, especially when about safety ..

Yes, that's WEC. Mentioning because it happened this weekend as well and due to a minor procedural mistake Ferrari was docked a 2nd place. And hey, they made the mistake so shame on them. Somehow though this only applies to Ferrari.

Sad for them, but rightly so.

[SharkY]

Fot those who like charts, this is how WDC and WCC look so far in the season.


If you're wondering, why Alonso is included: I typically create an excel for TOP 8 after 3rd race, so that the field is converged to the more realistic pecking order. And after Australia ALO was 8th, but I felt like I shouldn't omit HAM just yet.

[PlatinumZealot]

High time Sky F1 gets all their international contracts cancelled by FOM and replaced by F1 TV feed.

The sky coverage is just atrocious

That's your taste. I love the Sky coverage.

What dont you like about it?

[SiLo]

Fot those who like charts, this is how WDC and WCC look so far in the season.

https://i.imgur.com/QcB5twA.png
If you're wondering, why Alonso is included: I typically create an excel for TOP 8 after 3rd race, so that the field is converged to the more realistic pecking order. And after Australia ALO was 8th, but I felt like I shouldn't omit HAM just yet.

https://i.imgur.com/k9Wj9Up.png

Holy moly look at how consistently --- Perez has been

[PlatinumZealot]

Might have to rewatch this race one day.

I'm just sure not it was a legendary drive.

Max was clinical I would say. More of a strategic brilliance than outright driving on Godly level. Perez too looked very stable in the RedBull, he just botched some his moves.

I think what genuinely impressed me was the phase when Max passed Charles(?) and was gunning down behind Lando at breakneck pace! Best part ofthe race for me.

[Sieper]

Might have to rewatch this race one day.

I'm just sure not it was a legendary drive.

Max was clinical I would say. More of a strategic brilliance than outright driving on Godly level. Perez too looked very stable in the RedBull, he just botched some his moves.

I think what genuinely impressed me was the phase when Max passed Charles(?) and was gunning down behind Lando at breakneck pace! Best part ofthe race for me.

Salty! Good on you.

[bananapeel23]

Might have to rewatch this race one day.

I'm just sure not it was a legendary drive.

Max was clinical I would say. More of a strategic brilliance than outright driving on Godly level. Perez too looked very stable in the RedBull, he just botched some his moves.

I think what genuinely impressed me was the phase when Max passed Charles(?) and was gunning down behind Lando at breakneck pace! Best part ofthe race for me.

Max never passed Leclerc on track. He got well and truly stuck behind him until he pitted. He even praised Leclerc after the race for being the only driver to put up a fight.

I would absolutely say it's a legendary drive though. He was the only driver to really carve through the field and get overtakes done consistently prior to the red flag. He made up some 10 places before he got stuck behind Leclerc. Then he managed to overtake Ocon after the safety car, which was one of the very few turn 1 overtakes after the red flag period.

Remember he did all this in what was probably the 3rd or 4th best car as well. I can't recall a single mistake from him all race, while seemingly everyone else went off and got overtaken at least once.

Yes, he was quite lucky with the red flag timing, but even then I'm fairly sure he would've made the podium regardless. Also gambling on a red flag is a very valid strategy choice in a wet race. Red Bull had him stay out precisely because they knew it was very likely someone would bring out the red flag when the rain got that heavy and people still chose to pit for inters instead of wets. Rain that heavy also normally results in an immediate red flag regardless of if people have crashed or not. To bring out the safety car in such a situation was very odd.

[dialtone]

Remember he did all this in what was probably the 3rd or 4th best car as well. I can't recall a single mistake from him all race, while seemingly everyone else went off and got overtaken at least once.

Can we stop this 3rd or 4th best car nonsense?

His car was the easiest to drive sunday, even Perez was driving it fine. Max drove spectacularly well and his car was perfectly fine, even in the redbull thread they recognize that the understeer of the car probably played a role in it being easier to drive.

4th best car even... Mercedes is now better than Red Bull? Come on now...

[organic]

Remember he did all this in what was probably the 3rd or 4th best car as well. I can't recall a single mistake from him all race, while seemingly everyone else went off and got overtaken at least once.

Can we stop this 3rd or 4th best car nonsense?

His car was the easiest to drive sunday, even Perez was driving it fine. Max drove spectacularly well and his car was perfectly fine, even in the redbull thread they recognize that the understeer of the car probably played a role in it being easier to drive.

4th best car even... Mercedes is now better than Red Bull? Come on now...

Indeed it was almost certainly fastest at Brazil let's not tout nonsense

[Seanspeed]

Remember he did all this in what was probably the 3rd or 4th best car as well. I can't recall a single mistake from him all race, while seemingly everyone else went off and got overtaken at least once.

Can we stop this 3rd or 4th best car nonsense?

His car was the easiest to drive sunday, even Perez was driving it fine.

Perez didn't even score points. He wasn't making a bunch of mistakes no, but if Max didn't exist, nobody would think that Red Bull was somehow class of the field looking at Perez's drive. You'd just assume it was some midfield car. Not saying it was truly midfield car, just that Perez was absolutely not some indicator of how supreme the RB inherently was.