2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[Paa]

Were the long runs more promising than qualy pace?

[ME4ME]

Can't really be bothered about this season anymore, not the WCC nor the VER vs RUS distraction. But I absolutely cannot wait for Perez to finally get the axe. IMO they should go for Tsunoda but I don't mind either way. Just need a stop to milking the dead cow.

[venkyhere]

Were the long runs more promising than qualy pace?

I am afraid no. Car looks bad, monza bad. Or more, maybe.

[napoleon1981]

On another note, did they not go for quick laps, or is this really what the car has in this track? Didn't watch FP2, just looked at timing.

The car was not turning. Max did a lot of work trying to dial that out but doesn't look like they found a solution in the session. I'm sure they will be faster tomorrow.

Seems like a typical RB friday for this year. Running underpowered with a car that has poor balance. Sometimes they figure it out overnight, sometimes not. There must be some correlation issues, as the car rarely works out of the box.

[Rodak]

Why y'all replying to spamming troll?

This x1000.

x100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

This is a technical site, so 10^44 (or whatever)!!!!

[TNTHead]

On another note, did they not go for quick laps, or is this really what the car has in this track? Didn't watch FP2, just looked at timing.

The car was not turning. Max did a lot of work trying to dial that out but doesn't look like they found a solution in the session. I'm sure they will be faster tomorrow.

Seems like a typical RB friday for this year. Running underpowered with a car that has poor balance. Sometimes they figure it out overnight, sometimes not. There must be some correlation issues, as the car rarely works out of the box.

I really don't understand it, why for instance couldn't they start with the Qatar setup and work from there, or as that a stupid thought. Are there may be track specific adjustments needed that shifted the handling out of the working range? Then the setup is extremely sensitive to minor changes.

[FittingMechanics]

On another note, did they not go for quick laps, or is this really what the car has in this track? Didn't watch FP2, just looked at timing.

The car was not turning. Max did a lot of work trying to dial that out but doesn't look like they found a solution in the session. I'm sure they will be faster tomorrow.

Seems like a typical RB friday for this year. Running underpowered with a car that has poor balance. Sometimes they figure it out overnight, sometimes not. There must be some correlation issues, as the car rarely works out of the box.

Yeah, looks like they have big issues in predicting what setup will work on the car.

[langedweil]

In a court of law, lawyers will bring in previous behaviour to build a picture of the character of a person.

That is what George is doing here. Showing a pattern of actions that is indicative of the behaviour of a bully.

Actually you don't get to just bring in whatever evidence you like to a court room. Things that are not directly relevant to the case but could be perceived as prejudicial are often not allowed, and for good reason. You are trying to ajudicate a specific situation, if both sides are just going to bring in a laundry list of other situations trying to smear the character of the other side that is not conducive to justice in the specific case that is being decided. You can smear George too. Remember what his first instinct was when he caused a super dangerous crash with Valtteri at Imola? He went up to Valtteri as he was in the car, shouted in his face, and slapped him in the head, after a high G crash. Is it a pattern of behaviour with George that he causes dangerous situations and blames the other side, tries to get them penalised? Could be perceived that way.

That's why you don't bring in other irrelevant situations if you aren't trying to character assassinate.

Actually, since you want to take that tone, they have pretrial motions where what is relevant is adjudicated by the judge, in a criminal case and in a civil case the rules are not as tight.

Remind me which driver got community service for assaulting Ocon in the pits in Brazil? I know it wasn't George. Remind me. Which driver got punished for not being able to control his language in a press conference and then sulked like a petulant child? Remind me which driver can't keep to a delta and then, when punished for breaking the rule tries to deflect by claiming another driver was out of line?

You're out of coffee, or what ?

[DChemTech]

Remind me which driver got community service for assaulting Ocon in the pits in Brazil? I know it wasn't George.

Which was exactly a situation as it was now: yes, Max' response was that of a blunt bully. But that doesn't mean the other party was innocent. Just like George now, Ocon was acting like some golden boy and managed to provoke Max (then more understandably than now), making Max the bully - whilst their own behavior was just as much bullying, just not of the blunt kind.

[Espresso]

Facts are not spam or trolling.

But I guess when you're defending a bully....what else should we expect

ASD? Fine, but don’t use it as an excuse.
Spamming, trolling and hijacking a thread a big no no. Then it’s you who becomes the bully.
Please show respect and tone down the remarks. You have shown in another thread you are fully capable to respond instead fighting.

[Cs98]

In a court of law, lawyers will bring in previous behaviour to build a picture of the character of a person.

That is what George is doing here. Showing a pattern of actions that is indicative of the behaviour of a bully.

Actually you don't get to just bring in whatever evidence you like to a court room. Things that are not directly relevant to the case but could be perceived as prejudicial are often not allowed, and for good reason. You are trying to ajudicate a specific situation, if both sides are just going to bring in a laundry list of other situations trying to smear the character of the other side that is not conducive to justice in the specific case that is being decided. You can smear George too. Remember what his first instinct was when he caused a super dangerous crash with Valtteri at Imola? He went up to Valtteri as he was in the car, shouted in his face, and slapped him in the head, after a high G crash. Is it a pattern of behaviour with George that he causes dangerous situations and blames the other side, tries to get them penalised? Could be perceived that way.

That's why you don't bring in other irrelevant situations if you aren't trying to character assassinate.

Actually, since you want to take that tone, they have pretrial motions where what is relevant is adjudicated by the judge, in a criminal case and in a civil case the rules are not as tight.

Remind me which driver got community service for assaulting Ocon in the pits in Brazil? I know it wasn't George. Remind me. Which driver got punished for not being able to control his language in a press conference and then sulked like a petulant child? Remind me which driver can't keep to a delta and then, when punished for breaking the rule tries to deflect by claiming another driver was out of line?

You couldn't have missed the point more if you tried. I didn't bring up the George example because I believe George is a bad guy, I'm actually a fan. I brought it up as an example of how you can characterize someone almost any way you like if you get to use every bad situation they've ever been in against them. Arguing in such a way doesn't tell you who was right or wrong in a specific track dispute. It's just bad faith garbage, mudslinging to get at one another in the media. And George has a few skeletons in his closet too if he wants to go down that route. But you missed that point and went straight to mudslinging, again.

[CMSMJ1]

Stop.

Step away from the bait and lay off feeding the bonfire.

[venkyhere]

I dont understand why people are feeling the need to respond to posts from a handle that has 'papaya' in it's name. Chat forums are ideal fertile grounds for confirmation bias to become stronger. Debates and retorts in a thread becomes 'venting' space. Don't feed the urge and help 'more venting release'.

[organic]

Hopefully the car improves for tomorrow. The continued unpredictability of the car in terms of how it responds to the base setup implies to me they're still having significant correlation issues between the simulator and track. Maybe not something that bodes amazingly for 2025

[Watto]

Hopefully the car improves for tomorrow. The continued unpredictability of the car in terms of how it responds to the base setup implies to me they're still having significant correlation issues between the simulator and track. Maybe not something that bodes amazingly for 2025

Yep. Its a worrying sign for sure. Even Marko saying a few weeks ago about the need for a new wind tunnel to be bought online still a fair way off.

But to wonder if perhaps some of the issues are baked into the car design they now the issue but with budget cap and limited WT time etc they can't just spend their way out of the problem