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[AR3-GP]

What does he even mean with this



Why did they go for a good tyre life setup on a track where you can't even overtake

There was a second part

Horner: "That's a good effort Max, that gives you a good race car for tomorrow."

Max: "Let's see tomorrow."

They have made some sort of compromise for race pace.

[AR3-GP]

I'm sure they would have been higher with fresh tires. They are 2 tenths off pole with used C5 tires on a 45C track. It's a good sign.

Has the good doctor spoken yet?

[AR3-GP]

They are slightly quicker on the straights compared to last year. I don't know how to compare laps across years on f1-insights hub (@Emag), so f1-tempo will have to do.

[AR3-GP]

The rear tyres are in particular focus because they usually overheat faster than the front rollers. And the thermal images, especially in the heat races in Bahrain and Jeddah, showed that there are many blue spots in the area of brake vents at McLaren, while there is a lot of orange and red on all other cars. Conclusion at Red Bull: "It's impossible that you can cool so well with air alone."

[AR3-GP]

What the stewards say: "Car 1 was about six seconds over the prescribed minimum time between safety car lines 1 and 2 on one lap in SQ2, but met the requirement on all other laps. The telemetry data showed that the driver was traveling at a constant speed, with no other vehicles nearby, as if he were maintaining the delta value at about six seconds above the relevant value."

"During the hearing, the team explained that due to faulty programming in the car, the delta time displayed in the car had a deviation of six seconds. While the driver kept to the displayed delta time, he was actually consistently about six seconds over the prescribed minimum time."

"The team recognised the problem at the end of the first cool-down lap and immediately instructed the driver to manage his speed so that he stayed at least six seconds below the delta time shown in the car – which he did in all subsequent laps. This was confirmed by the telemetry."

"The race stewards acknowledge that while there was a breach of the regulations, based on the information available to him, Verstappen did not drive 'unnecessarily slowly', did not obstruct other vehicles and did not cause a dangerous situation. Therefore, no penalty will be imposed on the driver. However, the team will be given a warning as they are responsible for correctly displaying the time information in the car."

https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel ... l-25050215

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The rear tyres are in particular focus because they usually overheat faster than the front rollers. And the thermal images, especially in the heat races in Bahrain and Jeddah, showed that there are many blue spots in the area of brake vents at McLaren, while there is a lot of orange and red on all other cars. Conclusion at Red Bull: "It's impossible that you can cool so well with air alone."

Yeah makes sense. Timing is strange with red bull rumoured to be bringing their own duct upgrades at the next round. Maybe they doubt the success of them

[AR3-GP]

Marko hints: New Mercedes engines an advantage
For Max Verstappen, it was enough for fourth place with two attempts in SQ3. The Dutchman was able to improve again in the second run despite no longer fresh tyres and put the Red Bull on the second row.

Helmut Marko knows where the time is missing at Servus TV: "In sectors 1 and 2 we are at the front, but in sector 3 we lose about 0.25 seconds. Since there is basically only one corner there, the conclusion is obvious: we lose time mainly on the straight."

Strikingly, all Mercedes cars changed their engines before the weekend. "A new engine usually brings a few more horsepower, and that seems to have had a positive effect here," says the Austrian.

The good doctor thinks Mercedes PU has an advantage.
https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel ... l-25050215

[euv2]

Marko hints: New Mercedes engines an advantage
For Max Verstappen, it was enough for fourth place with two attempts in SQ3. The Dutchman was able to improve again in the second run despite no longer fresh tyres and put the Red Bull on the second row.

Helmut Marko knows where the time is missing at Servus TV: "In sectors 1 and 2 we are at the front, but in sector 3 we lose about 0.25 seconds. Since there is basically only one corner there, the conclusion is obvious: we lose time mainly on the straight."

Strikingly, all Mercedes cars changed their engines before the weekend. "A new engine usually brings a few more horsepower, and that seems to have had a positive effect here," says the Austrian.

The good doctor thinks Mercedes PU has an advantage.
https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel ... l-25050215

Yeah, it looking pretty clear now. Sam Collins also mentioned it on the tech talk, if there was no performance upgrade all teams would not have changed at the same time I reckon. So, it looks like Merc improved performance in the name of reliablitiy/safety.

Better hope Honda does something about it, or it could end up like 2021 on power tracks.

[AR3-GP]

Better hope Honda does something about it, or it could end up like 2021 on power tracks.

If they think there is an engine deficit now...just wait until next year...

[Sergej]

The rear tyres are in particular focus because they usually overheat faster than the front rollers. And the thermal images, especially in the heat races in Bahrain and Jeddah, showed that there are many blue spots in the area of brake vents at McLaren, while there is a lot of orange and red on all other cars. Conclusion at Red Bull: "It's impossible that you can cool so well with air alone."

So this means no McLaren style brake duct in the next future. Not good.

[ringo]

Interesting if true.
It can be air cooling alone though.
Maybe MGUK is braking the car intermitently without need for brake pads to brake.

Or..if there RB are suggesting liquid cooling... some large reservoir of brake fluid in the caliper which is then cooled by an inboard air heat exchanger under the engine cover.

[Bill]

Marko hints: New Mercedes engines an advantage
For Max Verstappen, it was enough for fourth place with two attempts in SQ3. The Dutchman was able to improve again in the second run despite no longer fresh tyres and put the Red Bull on the second row.

Helmut Marko knows where the time is missing at Servus TV: "In sectors 1 and 2 we are at the front, but in sector 3 we lose about 0.25 seconds. Since there is basically only one corner there, the conclusion is obvious: we lose time mainly on the straight."

Strikingly, all Mercedes cars changed their engines before the weekend. "A new engine usually brings a few more horsepower, and that seems to have had a positive effect here," says the Austrian.

The good doctor thinks Mercedes PU has an advantage.
https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel ... l-25050215

is there any reliable info to show that merc have upgraded their pu for reliability because to do that they will need the consent of other manufactures and make design changes available for others to see. its convenient to blame the pu are they running similar level of downforce.for me it looks like Bahrain a track where the car doesnot work

[venkyhere]

Being an idiot, spoke too soon earlier. Both these posts below from me were premature, before I 'analyzed' the lap traces.

I hope they don't bother about hte sprint and not fall into the trap of taking out a bit of RW to improve the straights.

The actual thing that needs 'work' is the T17 final corner.

Is the straight-line loss simply because they're running more DF?

i think its because the RW doesn't 'bend down' enough like the others in the straights. THis is going to reamain the same after barcelona even (as the 'delayed' TD doesn't address this) , and will be a characteristic till end of 2025. Redbull can say bye bye to Spa and Monza , unless they do something about this.

After looking at the lap traces in detail, turns out, the losses in the straight, isn't a Rear Wing issue (drag / flexi helped drag reduction) at all. What you guys and 'the good doctor' mentioned, seems to be the case :

I didn't think Max would be able to go faster on a used soft tire. He did. That's normally something only Mclaren can do.

I think there's more than meets the eye here.

Think Max would have been closer with a fresh set and a single push lap; he was just 0.100 off both Kimi and Piastri before T17. Only Mercs are faster in a straight(2-3kmph), Max had the similar top speed as Piastri, so not too bad. Max was quite good out of the chicane on the kerbs and turn 16.

Should do better in qualy tomorrow at least be much closer to the top.

The good doctor thinks Mercedes PU has an advantage.
https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel ... l-25050215

Max's gear changes are not-in-sync with ANT/NOR/PIA , sometimes even refusing to downshift. The upshifts in straightish sections are all 'delayed' , implying :
a) acceleration is suffering due to worn tyres (despite that he still did a purple S1)
OR
b) it's an engine map / deployment issue
OR
c) combination of a & b
The reason it seems to be one of these cases is because Vmax at the end of long straights is in the ballpark (1-2 kph at most difference) of ANT/PIA/NOR. That means this has nothing to do with the rear wing or whether it doesn't bend over backwards in the straights like the others do,

I HOPE THEY DONT CHANGE ANYTHING ON THE CAR FOR THE REST OF THE WEEKEND, it's capable of pole.

[f1isgood]

Being an idiot, spoke too soon earlier. Both these posts below from me were premature, before I 'analyzed' the lap traces.

I hope they don't bother about hte sprint and not fall into the trap of taking out a bit of RW to improve the straights.

The actual thing that needs 'work' is the T17 final corner.

Is the straight-line loss simply because they're running more DF?

i think its because the RW doesn't 'bend down' enough like the others in the straights. THis is going to reamain the same after barcelona even (as the 'delayed' TD doesn't address this) , and will be a characteristic till end of 2025. Redbull can say bye bye to Spa and Monza , unless they do something about this.

After looking at the lap traces in detail, turns out, the losses in the straight, isn't a Rear Wing issue (drag / flexi helped drag reduction) at all. What you guys and 'the good doctor' mentioned, seems to be the case :

I didn't think Max would be able to go faster on a used soft tire. He did. That's normally something only Mclaren can do.

I think there's more than meets the eye here.

Think Max would have been closer with a fresh set and a single push lap; he was just 0.100 off both Kimi and Piastri before T17. Only Mercs are faster in a straight(2-3kmph), Max had the similar top speed as Piastri, so not too bad. Max was quite good out of the chicane on the kerbs and turn 16.

Should do better in qualy tomorrow at least be much closer to the top.

The good doctor thinks Mercedes PU has an advantage.
https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel ... l-25050215

Max's gear changes are not-in-sync with ANT/NOR/PIA , sometimes even refusing to downshift. The upshifts in straightish sections are all 'delayed' , implying :
a) acceleration is suffering due to worn tyres (despite that he still did a purple S1)
OR
b) it's an engine map / deployment issue
OR
c) combination of a & b
The reason it seems to be one of these cases is because Vmax at the end of long straights is in the ballpark (1-2 kph at most difference) of ANT/PIA/NOR. That means this has nothing to do with the rear wing or whether it doesn't bend over backwards in the straights like the others do,

I HOPE THEY DONT CHANGE ANYTHING ON THE CAR FOR THE REST OF THE WEEKEND, it's capable of pole.

Does it also explain the deficit to Ferrari?

[ringo]

Marko hints: New Mercedes engines an advantage
For Max Verstappen, it was enough for fourth place with two attempts in SQ3. The Dutchman was able to improve again in the second run despite no longer fresh tyres and put the Red Bull on the second row.

Helmut Marko knows where the time is missing at Servus TV: "In sectors 1 and 2 we are at the front, but in sector 3 we lose about 0.25 seconds. Since there is basically only one corner there, the conclusion is obvious: we lose time mainly on the straight."

Strikingly, all Mercedes cars changed their engines before the weekend. "A new engine usually brings a few more horsepower, and that seems to have had a positive effect here," says the Austrian.

The good doctor thinks Mercedes PU has an advantage.
https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel ... l-25050215

is there any reliable info to show that merc have upgraded their pu for reliability because to do that they will need the consent of other manufactures and make design changes available for others to see. its convenient to blame the pu are they running similar level of downforce.for me it looks like Bahrain a track where the car doesnot work

I dont think the PU has any upgrades. A fresh engine will be more powerful just by virtue of being less worn than say a 5 race old engine.