2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Waz]

You can make demands when the ones writing the cheques know you have done it before.

Let's be clear, Horner didn't do Jack, Newey and the people under him made rb what it is/was.

Cool. Enjoy mediocrity

[catent]

You can make demands when the ones writing the cheques know you have done it before.

Let's be clear, Horner didn't do Jack, Newey and the people under him made rb what it is/was.

Cool. Enjoy mediocrity

As if it would be this poster’s fault - personally - should Ferrari not hire Horner (or Horner choose to not accept an offer).

[Chuckjr]

Horner derangement syndrome is strong here. My god. Get a hold of yourselves. To say Horner did nothing at Red Bull for them to be a winning empire for some time now just renders unobjective hate. Smh.

IMO, at the end of the day, the Ferrari board of directors needs to be divorced from any decision making process in the Ferrari F1 racing team. The F1 team should be run by the group that is at the track every weekend, with the team all week, and in personal daily relations with the drivers. The F1 team should never answer to the board, but have their own autonomous management that facilitates the team for Ferrari. They need to keep media and fan boy nonsense from having any say in the F1 teams motivations, driver line up, or trajectory. Period. The F1 team should be a 100% pure thoroughbred racing team composed of racing experienced management acting autonomously from the board or anyone at Ferrari International. I’d imagine a lot like Red Bull who have a drinks company that support the racing effort. Ferrari should try that model. Horner would be a good pick to do it. He did it at Red Bull. Why is this so hard to see by so many here? It seems obvious. The board has shown themselves to be incompetent since Luca left, and therefore disqualify themselves as any kind of objective lens. Letting Newey go and hiring an ever slower Lewis who cannot fix the car? SMH. Poor leadership. Poor vision. Poor perspective. Let the board direct the sales of Ferrari cars and the direction of the company, great, but the F1 team should be their own baby with their own leadership with only one man talking to the board and letting them know how its going. Not answering to them. They have disqualified themselves. F the board of directors. Bring back Luca or hire Horner and be done with it for a decade. Until they can run the F1 Ferrari racing team as a racing team exclusively, they will continue to flounder being run by the least among Ferrari. Letting Newey pass and hiring a has-been media fawning clown is testimony to the kinda thing I am pointing towards and have been for years. Most were doing backflips when Lewis was hired and I was one of the only ones here that said it was a disaster hire. Elkann is a poser leader, and does not know the priorities needed to be a winning F1 team. It’s painfully obvious he has lost the plot if he ever had it. He is far too concerned with impressing the cameras and trying to make the board happy. Nonsense. That’s why I say call Montozomolo or Horner who know how to run an F1 racing team properly without giving a frogs fat ass what the board says. “Release the cars potential” Fred is embarrassing as the team lead. Embarrassing. The team needs racing team members with a no smiles, no games, no BS approach. This is a racing team that should be run by racing obsessed individuals that are at every race every weekend in the trenches working and trying to get better. Period. Horner would excel in such an environment, as well as Luca, but it will never happen because the Ferrari board is a malignant cancer. Too much pride to ever relinquish power and authority, and that is why Ferrari will continue to be doomed.

Hire Horner or Luca. Give him and let him build the team and leave him alone for 10 years. To me, that would change the landscape and allow for a more natural development from racing oriented and experienced individuals offering Ferrari an option they have not exercised.

Just my 2 cents.

[bluechris]

Lets hire Horner to be in the new UK Office that will open simultaneously with the only job to rercruit people and doing public relations

[Hammerfist]

Horner knows how to build a strong technical team. A Newey less Red Bull is the second best car this year and that was after being in the doldrums last year when Newey was still around.

Simply discrediting someone's success because of personal dislike is never the right way to go about things.

But as others have mentioned, he needs full control or it won't work.

The current Red Bull is still riding plenty of momentum from Newey's design direction, especially in these fairly static regulations. And we can also see how well the car is doing in anybody's hands except Max. Also, it was Newey that was given the freedom to build the technical team around his needs.

Horner without Newey offers very little for Ferrari. And it'd be much nicer to simply have Newey without Horner if Newey was actually available.

Unless you worked at Red Bull, nothing you say is confirmed as legit.

Why do you keep equating Horner to a designer? Red Bull have been without Newey for nearly 2 seasons. He wasn't even the TD either. And they're still winning. Because, as Newey reminds us all the time, it takes a lot of people to create a F1 car these days.

And Horner managed to put the right people in place. He also happened to be very well liked by the staff.

The RB21 is still fundamentally a Newey designed car. Let's see what Redbull can cook up in the next regulation without any input from Newey.

I was very upset at Ferrari for letting Newey slip through their fingers like that. This is the kind of person you have to go out of bounds for and they missed that chance royally.

Horner is no designer but it would be very interesting to see him there and see if he can help address the issues that have caused them to underperform for almost 2 decades.

[JPower]

You can make demands when the ones writing the cheques know you have done it before.

Let's be clear, Horner didn't do Jack, Newey and the people under him made rb what it is/was.

That's fundamentally false.

[dans79]

You can make demands when the ones writing the cheques know you have done it before.

Let's be clear, Horner didn't do Jack, Newey and the people under him made rb what it is/was.

That's fundamentally false.

So you think Horner or any other team principle for that matter, are the ones who interview and decide who to hire for entry and mid-level technical positions?

[Xyz22]

Ferrari need technical expertise, not more managerial middle men.

If he is as good of a boss as many think he is…he won’t have much trouble recruiting the right people.

You need money to recruit the right people, that's the key.

[PlatinumZealot]

If that guy really said that, I would take out his degree, and if I were Ferrari I would eliminate any record of his employment there out of shame. There have to be limits to nonsense in technical topics.

I see nothing wrong with his statements. It is is well known in F1 that the brake ducts help to generate a boat load of downforce. They are indeed a very critical area.

[PlatinumZealot]

Really ?
"closing up partially/reducing the size of" brake ducts adds downforce ? (or reduces drag rather?)
Can someone explain in simple language how it adds downforce ?

A very very very simple way of thinking about is to look at the volume of air available to the teams. At a given speed a car will see a given volume of air, and the teams have to do numerous things with that flow.

• Feed the engine
• Cool the engine and various other components
• Cool the breaks
• generate downforce

So, hypothetically if a team can get buy with less front break cooling, they can use the excess flow for other things further down stream. For example, they might be able to use it to create more powerfully fortifies to control the flow around the sidepods, and thus feed more flow over the diffuser. What they are actually doing (if anything), is only going to be known by members of the team.

I get what you are saying but this is not why.

The brake ducts and the fairings help direct much of the flow structures between the body, the floor and most importantly the wheel wake.

[PlatinumZealot]

Horner knows how to build a strong technical team. A Newey less Red Bull is the second best car this year and that was after being in the doldrums last year when Newey was still around.

Simply discrediting someone's success because of personal dislike is never the right way to go about things.

But as others have mentioned, he needs full control or it won't work.

Horner has been given many gifts at RedBull including the stellar technical team that was in place there. I believe as Dans7 said, the team succeeded inspite of his presence. Newey who was brought in by David Coukthard, and the other top tier technicians were basically there regardless of Horner.

For me he has not proven himself in another environment and is a huge risk if Ferrari hires him. I'm not sure what he will bring to the table and it is important the the roots of the Ferrari Culture remain for better or worse.

[AR3-GP]

Hamilton doesn't want Horner at Ferrari.

"The team," Hamilton said of Ferrari, "has made it clear how they stand on the contract extension with Fred [Vasseur]. Fred, I and the whole team are working really the future of the team. Therefore, of course, such things are not helpful."

https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel ... b-25101613

[AR3-GP]

Horner has been given many gifts at RedBull including the stellar technical team that was in place there.

You mean the highly distinguished Jaguar F1 team?

It's quite strange how asking around at Red Bull you get a different sense of Horner's contribution to RBR, as opposed to say...the riveting epithets of internet eccentrics...lets go with that.

[JPower]

Let's be clear, Horner didn't do Jack, Newey and the people under him made rb what it is/was.

That's fundamentally false.

So you think Horner or any other team principle for that matter, are the ones who interview and decide who to hire for entry and mid-level technical positions?

As TP, he didn't need to have an impact on the organization. That's not in his job description.

[PlatinumZealot]

Horner has been given many gifts at RedBull including the stellar technical team that was in place there.

You mean the highly distinguished Jaguar F1 team?

It's quite strange how asking around at Red Bull you get a different sense of Horner's contribution to RBR, as opposed to say...the riveting epithets of internet eccentrics...lets go with that.

I certainly won't sing him praises now even if he was successful in the past. Horner is a walking spent reactor core at this point very toxic and not much energy is left in him. I would be very surprised if Ferrari took him onboard.