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AR3-GP wrote:
06 Nov 2025, 21:55
Xyz22 wrote:
06 Nov 2025, 21:33

RB had 0 infrastructure in place when Newey joined and, on top of what you already highlighted, there was a very mature regulation set at the time. Producing a competitive car was an impossible task in that context. The first big reg change, Newey immediately made a competitive car.
Once again i'm expecting AM to have a very strong chassis next year, especially when they will be able to make it lighter because i'm 100% sure Newey will decide to give priority to aero instead of weight.

Newey is, after all, both the greatest F1 chief designer and Technical Director of all time by a big margin.
I think you're over-simplifying the work. There's a long way between what's in Newey's head, and what gets out to the racetrack. What is the basis for "they'll have a very strong chassis next year"? With what simulator? What cooling technology? What gearbox? The aerodynamics department was just let go. I think you aren't listening to what Newey has been saying. He practically called the team Jaguar F1 and you think in 3 months' time anything will be "strong"?

I'm not impressed by what Lawrence did before Adrian arrived. He's hired all these big names that Adrian has since fired (Fallows, Blandin, the others). He's bought all this technology that Adrian said is useless in it's current state. This is a bigger challenge than I anticipated. I didn't realize that all Lawrence did was some window dressing to scare the other teams but little substance. Now Adrian is fixing what should have already been sorted before he arrived.
If it was already sorted and they were this bad then I’d be worried. Newey motivates the team and that’s been proven by Cowell saying his 2 year quip about the simulator was to give them a kick up the backside to do it faster and apparently it worked? Let’s see

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RedNEO wrote:
06 Nov 2025, 22:18
If it was already sorted and they were this bad then I’d be worried.
It goes both ways. If it had already been sorted, they wouldn't be this bad! :lol:
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AR3-GP wrote:
06 Nov 2025, 22:23
RedNEO wrote:
06 Nov 2025, 22:18
If it was already sorted and they were this bad then I’d be worried.
It goes both ways. If it had already been sorted, they wouldn't be this bad! :lol:
If they weren’t this bad and didn’t have Alonso who Newey admires they probably wouldn’t have Newey so it worked out.

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AR3-GP wrote:
06 Nov 2025, 21:55
Xyz22 wrote:
06 Nov 2025, 21:33

RB had 0 infrastructure in place when Newey joined and, on top of what you already highlighted, there was a very mature regulation set at the time. Producing a competitive car was an impossible task in that context. The first big reg change, Newey immediately made a competitive car.
Once again i'm expecting AM to have a very strong chassis next year, especially when they will be able to make it lighter because i'm 100% sure Newey will decide to give priority to aero instead of weight.

Newey is, after all, both the greatest F1 chief designer and Technical Director of all time by a big margin.
I think you're over-simplifying the work. There's a long way between what's in Newey's head, and what gets out to the racetrack. What is the basis for "they'll have a very strong chassis next year"? With what simulator? What cooling technology? What gearbox? The aerodynamics department was just let go. I think you aren't listening to what Newey has been saying. He practically called the team Jaguar F1 and you think in 3 months' time anything will be "strong"?

I'm not impressed by what Lawrence did before Adrian arrived. He's hired all these big names that Adrian has since fired (Fallows, Blandin, the others). He's bought all this technology that Adrian said is useless in it's current state. This is a bigger challenge than I anticipated. I didn't realize that all Lawrence did was some window dressing to scare the other teams but little substance. Now Adrian is fixing what should have already been sorted before he arrived.
Lawrence made a crucial mistake: he didn't hire a real technical director. This is why he offered 20 plus M to Newey, to have the best ever.

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peewon wrote:
06 Nov 2025, 20:35
DJ Downforce wrote:
06 Nov 2025, 20:32
Blandin has been very disappointing. It was meant to be him and Fallows leading the revolution - how quick things can change....
This is word for word the same comment as one under the article. What in the scraping bot hell is this?
That was me!!!

I'm laughing so much at this :lol: :lol:

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We need to wait around 2 months guys, just 2 month to see where. I dont believe they will be worse than 2025, next year every team will be the last, never he rules change like now. If Honda doesnt repet 2015 i think will be in the top teams for next year. Blandin and other dont have any impact for 2026, they didnt build this car, so. Good bye for them. We need to remeber, AM improved a lot in Imola this year, they never improve since 2023, and naturally they stop this progress because was better use the resources for 2026, If Newey and Aston Martin had invested in 2025, they would certainly be better than now

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AR3-GP wrote:
06 Nov 2025, 20:11
TyreSlip wrote:
06 Nov 2025, 19:36
Huge technical shakeup seemingly initiated by Newey.

Blandin is gone as aerodynamics director. Seven staff members departing.

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/asto ... -overhaul/
I think we have to be realistic. This does not indicate a championship winning 2026 project. You don't sack the whole aero department 3 months before track launch if things are going well. This ties into the previous that Newey gave when he said there were people that said certain things can't be done. Now we know who those people are...
Earlier this year(March), Aston Martin appointed a new chief aerodynamicist Gioacchino 'Jack' Vino, as well as luring one of Newey's former Red Bull lieutenants Giles Wood back to F1 as simulation and vehicle modelling director.

Other changes this year.

- Ian Grieg Head of Aerodynamics (Aston Martin) -> Head of Aerodynamic Analysis and Technology (Red Bull)

- Robbie Stevens Head of Aero Science (Alpine) -> Head of Vehicle Science (Aston Martin)
- Emma McKay Stores Manager (Red Bull) -> Stores and Internal Logistics Manager (Aston Martin)
- Nick Roberts Senior Strategy Engineer (Racing Bulls) -> Senior Strategy Engineer (Aston Martin)
- Gilles Wood Fmr Red Bull Chief Engineer -> Simulation and Modelling Director (Aston Martin)
- Marco Fainello Fmr Ferrari Head of Performance -> Senior Consultant (Aston Martin)
- Fabrizio Pilotti Chief Information Officer (Mercedes HPP) -> Chief Information Officer (Aston Martin)

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Old, but relevant.
“I think it is fair to say that some of our tools are weak, particularly the driver in the loop simulator,” Newey said in Monte Carlo.

"It needs a lot of work because it's not correlating at all at the moment, which is a fundamental research tool. Not having that is a limitation.

“But we've just got to work around it in the meantime and then sort out a plan to get it to where it needs to be. But that's probably a two-year project in truth.”
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/asto ... ack-to-f1/


This was my point. Contrary to what some imagine which is that Newey is a wizard who can develop a winning F1 car without a windtunnel or a simulator or anyone else, Newey requires tools. He's very good at interpreting them when they are working. The tools are not there yet.

Anything is possible, of course, because other teams can build much worse cars than Aston Martin, but I would pay close attention to Newey's reservations. They are not unfounded. Aston Martin isn't yet where he wants it to be. They can't be judged on 2026. Like a rookie F1 driver, it needs time.
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https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/aston ... /10766107/
Now, several months later, Cowell shares a light-hearted anecdote about Newey’s statements in Monaco during an exclusive interview with Autosport: “After Adrian did the interview, and as he walked away from that interview, he whispered in my ear and said, yeah, I just said two years, because I know it'll push the guys along. And we just smiled and had a laugh about it!”

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madridista wrote:
07 Nov 2025, 02:09
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/aston ... /10766107/
Now, several months later, Cowell shares a light-hearted anecdote about Newey’s statements in Monaco during an exclusive interview with Autosport: “After Adrian did the interview, and as he walked away from that interview, he whispered in my ear and said, yeah, I just said two years, because I know it'll push the guys along. And we just smiled and had a laugh about it!”
There it is. I think this sums up things nicely. Newey is wanting this to happen for Alonso since he was part of the reason that he joined. Not giving Alonso a good car would be a shame that Newey is not going to let happen.

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diffuser wrote:
07 Nov 2025, 01:16
AR3-GP wrote:
06 Nov 2025, 20:11
TyreSlip wrote:
06 Nov 2025, 19:36
Huge technical shakeup seemingly initiated by Newey.

Blandin is gone as aerodynamics director. Seven staff members departing.

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/asto ... -overhaul/
I think we have to be realistic. This does not indicate a championship winning 2026 project. You don't sack the whole aero department 3 months before track launch if things are going well. This ties into the previous that Newey gave when he said there were people that said certain things can't be done. Now we know who those people are...
Earlier this year(March), Aston Martin appointed a new chief aerodynamicist Gioacchino 'Jack' Vino, as well as luring one of Newey's former Red Bull lieutenants Giles Wood back to F1 as simulation and vehicle modelling director.

Other changes this year.

- Ian Grieg Head of Aerodynamics (Aston Martin) -> Head of Aerodynamic Analysis and Technology (Red Bull)

- Robbie Stevens Head of Aero Science (Alpine) -> Head of Vehicle Science (Aston Martin)
- Emma McKay Stores Manager (Red Bull) -> Stores and Internal Logistics Manager (Aston Martin)
- Nick Roberts Senior Strategy Engineer (Racing Bulls) -> Senior Strategy Engineer (Aston Martin)
- Gilles Wood Fmr Red Bull Chief Engineer -> Simulation and Modelling Director (Aston Martin)
- Marco Fainello Fmr Ferrari Head of Performance -> Senior Consultant (Aston Martin)
- Fabrizio Pilotti Chief Information Officer (Mercedes HPP) -> Chief Information Officer (Aston Martin)
Incredible hunt. I think Aston can drop the fluff pieces now and just focus on performance, now that they have serious guys onboard.

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Top F1 teams have over 1000 employees.
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