2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[ScuderiaLeo]

Is F1-75 handled wet poorly? especially before td39? wow.

There have obviously been weekends and specs where they didn't do as poorly during that period... My understanding is "overall" means "on average" as in over the past decade they have not been able to put consistent wet weather weekends and/or sessions together across multiple drivers and multiple generations of cars. Whether that's because they don't understand the prep required, they go the wrong setup direction, they misjudge the strategy, and so on

Again, Leclerc is not the first Ferrari driver to bring this up so I don't know why it's controversial only when he says it.

[dans79]

Again, Leclerc is not the first Ferrari driver to bring this up so I don't know why it's controversial only when he says it.

The answer to you statement is to many people like to take jabs at Ferrari, Charles or Lewis any chance they get.....

[AR3-GP]

Do we have confirmation Hamilton is starting from the pit lane?

Hamilton was using the low downforce wing during qualifying so he won't need a setup change. He already has a 5th PU in his pool as well so he has fresher engines.

They are doing a triple header now. More work for mechanics will wear them out for little benefit.

[Jdn1327]

Amateur hour from 7xWDC.
2026 is going to be key, when the venturi tunnel cars are going to be replaced by 'old style' flat floor raked wedge cars - if he is still incompetent in 2026 relative to his teammate, I think he should swallow some pride and tell himself 'enough is enough, I am not god, I am human afterall, it's normal for abilities to wane' , and retire.

I really don't understand people saying that he'll improve next year. It doesn't add up. Downforce is downforce..
Whether made by the floor or whatever else. If he couldn't do it with these regs he won't do it with new regs. Ferrari can use him for marketing and global reach and that's it. I feel ferrari are grooming bearman to take his place in 2027

[ScuderiaLeo]

Adami and Hamilton's communication really hasn't improved much over the season. We get the same "I need more info" "I don't understand what you mean" etc radios every race

[Luscion]

[ScuderiaLeo]

The pace fell off on low fuel for both cars.

But honestly not the worst race, strategy discourse aside. Ham with a point, Leclerc did some good overtakes

[Jdn1327]

The pace fell off on low fuel for both cars.

But honestly not the worst race, strategy discourse aside. Ham with a point, Leclerc did some good overtakes

Yeah well there is still the elephant in the room..
Which is the 7 time wdc not performing. He made so many mistakes in the race. Roles reversed...Charles would've finished ahead of him.

[Luscion]

The pace fell off on low fuel for both cars.

But honestly not the worst race, strategy discourse aside. Ham with a point, Leclerc did some good overtakes

Yeah well there is still the elephant in the room..
Which is the 7 time wdc not performing. He made so many mistakes in the race. Roles reversed...Charles would've finished ahead of him.

what mistakes did he make? he was P6 before he pitted, other than his brake issues and pace falling off on the mediums i dont think he made mistakes

[Badger]

Seriously Ham? He started P19, lacked race pace, made some mistakes along the way, and couldn't overtake slower cars effectively. But the problem was the strategy? He isn't giving them much to work with, but he still finds a way of throwing them under the bus.

[venkyhere]

Amateur hour from 7xWDC.
2026 is going to be key, when the venturi tunnel cars are going to be replaced by 'old style' flat floor raked wedge cars - if he is still incompetent in 2026 relative to his teammate, I think he should swallow some pride and tell himself 'enough is enough, I am not god, I am human afterall, it's normal for abilities to wane' , and retire.

I really don't understand people saying that he'll improve next year. It doesn't add up. Downforce is downforce..
Whether made by the floor or whatever else. If he couldn't do it with these regs he won't do it with new regs. Ferrari can use him for marketing and global reach and that's it. I feel ferrari are grooming bearman to take his place in 2027

not really, as per my understanding. The Ground Effect cars are very sensitive to the way the 'body' of the car moves in relation to the gap to the road surface - that's why they have so much stiffer suspension compared to previous rulesets over the last two decades. Explanation quoted from earlier posts :

Plus, what I have come to understand about this ground effect era, is that the marriage of aero with suspension is far more 'sensitive' when it's a venturi floor where the total suction force is acting on a relatively small 'tunnel area/volume' with super-high air speeds and super-low pressure zones; compared to a 'typical regulation' cars where the total floor suction force acts on a larger, wedge shaped 'area/volume', but with lesser 'peaks' due to 'normal' air speeds.
In other words, the floor downforce was 'well distributed' laterally and longitudinally in the previous era, while for ground effect venturi tunnel era, the distribution is in longitudinal (and a bit lateral) 'lumps', making the suspension tuning far more difficult.
Please understand that I am an aero amateur, so take this with a pinch of salt

While I don't want to comment on his involvement(or lack of) in 'car development' (we are reminded of the various 'I am the man for experiements' in 2022 and 2023 at Mercedes) ; one thing I can say with confidence - he hasn't adapted his driving to suit a ground effect (GE) car, where combined entry (steering + super-aggressive braking) into a corner disturbs the car so much, that it loses balance.
That's because of the shape of the underfloor 'low pressure slice of air' :
-- in the 'normal flat floor era', this was a wedge shaped high speed air, which produced suction that was less sensitive to the dynamic shape changes to the wedge (which comes mainly from hard braking under 'yaw')
-- int the GE venturi floor era, this is a small volume 'snake body shaped' tunnel with ultra-fast moving air, which produces suction ; thus making it super-sensitive to dynamic shape/orientation changes in corner entry. A big clue that this is the case, is the amount of anti-dive/anti-squat present in the GE designs, compared to the previous era.

Decades of muscle memory and 'instinct' (or just plain old stubborness) that makes him repeat the same 'hard late braking with not-little steering angle' on corner entry, is a technical deficiency from a driving standpoint. I am sure he is aware of this already. Hamilton will be happiest to see the back of 4 years of GE cars, and will be eager for the flat floor 2026 car.

[ScuderiaLeo]

Does anyone have a clip of Hamilton's Sky interview... he looked totally broken inside, talking about how he's tried everything he can think of but things have only gotten worse this season

Leclerc also sounded pretty depressed just now saying he thought this was one of his best races of the year because he was risking it every lap but kept it on track, yet disappointed because there's not much to show for it

Vasseur called it a positive result but neither driver sounds particularly happy

[j_ste]

The pace fell off on low fuel for both cars.

But honestly not the worst race, strategy discourse aside. Ham with a point, Leclerc did some good overtakes

Yeah well there is still the elephant in the room..
Which is the 7 time wdc not performing. He made so many mistakes in the race. Roles reversed...Charles would've finished ahead of him.

the elephant in the room is that the car is crap. You could clone peak ham and put him in both cars and it wouldn’t have finished in the top 4 today.

Starting 19th and 9th? 6th and 10th is pretty good considering what they are working with.

[Badger]

The pace fell off on low fuel for both cars.

But honestly not the worst race, strategy discourse aside. Ham with a point, Leclerc did some good overtakes

Yeah well there is still the elephant in the room..
Which is the 7 time wdc not performing. He made so many mistakes in the race. Roles reversed...Charles would've finished ahead of him.

the elephant in the room is that the car is crap. You could clone peak ham and put him in both cars and it wouldn’t have finished in the top 4 today.

Starting 19th and 9th? 6th and 10th is pretty good considering what they are working with.

I mean Leclerc would very likely have finished top 4 today if he had pitted when Piastri did.

[ScuderiaLeo]