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[basti313]

Wow, on second viewing that defense against Piastri is atrocious, probably not intentional but very naive from Antonelli to leave the door so open, forget covering the inside line he left the whole track open.

To me the line is sooo odd. No one in the whole race used this outside kerb into T1 and Ant put half the car on it/into the dirt. That was not "forget covering".

Yeah, that would win the worst 'defense' of the season award. It's so difficult to overtake here, you need to be less than 0.4s coming out of the final corner with DRS and even then, if you hold the inside line that's the chance gone because the corner just does not allow overtakes on the outside.

I would not even suggest to go for the inside. If he brakes on the line, there is basically no chance to make this stick. See Verstappen at the start when he took two car length from Lando on the inside. Was he afraid of Oscar taking him out?

[OverheatedTurbo]

We got people here having suspicion about Merc helping Mclaren? Who cares? Red Bull have two additional single seaters at their disposal and can use them to mess with Mclaren at any given moment. Anything is fair game against a team that has a “sister” team. Anyways, I don’t think Merc is helping Mclaren out, but even if they did, why does it matter? That is a Max/Red Bull problem.

[RonMexico]

There is nothing stopping any other team from purchasing a second team. Collusion between rival teams is a different kettle of fish.

[WardenOfTheNorth]

Not sure what you were watching but it glaringly obvious immediately that Kimi had gone wide, so had made a mistake.

Are you sure about that? This is what was broadcasted. Nothing was clear.

https://i.postimg.cc/cH3nZXk4/AN-NOR-LA ... r-2025.gif

Immediately after, Sky said "Antonelli gifting an opportunity there for Lando Norris" but it's all RB's fault...
Earlier in the race, Antonelli moved to the left of the circuit before Oscar Piastri overtook him.

https://i.postimg.cc/44PcdGMd/Qatar-202 ... onelli.gif


It's why Marko referred to two separate incidents where one could conceivably think Antonelli waived them through. Mercedes is not above suspicion. If Mercedes want to help Mclaren, that's their right, there's nothing against it. It turns out RB was wrong but they aren't responsible for the actions of nuts on the internet anymore than Mercedes and Lewis Hamilton would be responsible for Latifi and Michael Masi's death threats.

Now show it from Lando's onboard stream. Also show the part before that.

[OverheatedTurbo]

There is nothing stopping any other team from purchasing a second team. Collusion between rival teams is a different kettle of fish.

Yeah. Whatever man.

[f1isgood]

Not sure what you were watching but it glaringly obvious immediately that Kimi had gone wide, so had made a mistake.

Are you sure about that? This is what was broadcasted. Nothing was clear.

https://i.postimg.cc/cH3nZXk4/AN-NOR-LA ... r-2025.gif

Immediately after, Sky said "Antonelli gifting an opportunity there for Lando Norris" but it's all RB's fault...
Earlier in the race, Antonelli moved to the left of the circuit before Oscar Piastri overtook him.

https://i.postimg.cc/44PcdGMd/Qatar-202 ... onelli.gif


It's why Marko referred to two separate incidents where one could conceivably think Antonelli waived them through. Mercedes is not above suspicion. If Mercedes want to help Mclaren, that's their right, there's nothing against it. It turns out RB was wrong but they aren't responsible for the actions of nuts on the internet anymore than Mercedes and Lewis Hamilton would be responsible for Latifi and Michael Masi's death threats.

Now show it from Lando's onboard stream. Also show the part before that.

I am sorry to burst your bubble but the majority of the people are watching the live feed and not whatever shows Antonelli actually made an error.

[f1isgood]

We got people here having suspicion about Merc helping Mclaren? Who cares? Red Bull have two additional single seaters at their disposal and can use them to mess with Mclaren at any given moment. Anything is fair game against a team that has a “sister” team. Anyways, I don’t think Merc is helping Mclaren out, but even if they did, why does it matter? That is a Max/Red Bull problem.

When did they do it this year? Or in the previous years?

[basti313]

We got people here having suspicion about Merc helping Mclaren? Who cares? Red Bull have two additional single seaters at their disposal and can use them to mess with Mclaren at any given moment. Anything is fair game against a team that has a “sister” team. Anyways, I don’t think Merc is helping Mclaren out, but even if they did, why does it matter? That is a Max/Red Bull problem.

When did they do it this year? Or in the previous years?

Never, I think this is a nothingburger. Same as the constant accusations of RedBull having help by their second team, nothing is more monitored by the FIA, they just wait for an error. And so did Hadjar jump out of the way when Norris was anywhere close in the last races. We saw the very same in many seasons with a tight ending...like 2016 Vettel trying to stay out of the feet of Rosberg. Or the last part of the season 21 where everyone tried to not tango with Ham and Ver.

Here...it is a bit more puzzling still. Ant basically left the track. Was he so much afraid of a crazy divebomb? Why did he not do the same with Norris? He was more in a Petrov situation, where the WDC contender would not stand a chance to overtake and he himself lost precious points. These two points are now missing to tie with Ham, something I would call a great achievement.

And I do not get how that was even possible, Pia reached Ant with a very similar tire age difference as later Norris did. Just keep him a lap behind and the case is closed on even both opponents as the dirty air cost him another 2sec.

[AR3-GP]

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[MB_Racer]

GP said what we all thought before we saw on the TV.
Zac Browns comment about Hulkenberg in Austin was also bad, but I haven’t seen so much comments about him like we see now towards GP.
To be clear, GP’s comment was not good, but he apologised as soon as he saw what happened.

Not sure what you were watching but it glaringly obvious immediately that Kimi had gone wide, so had made a mistake.

Very true and this is a fact! Kimi was fighting and pushing to be on the podium!

[SB15]

To me the line is sooo odd. No one in the whole race used this outside kerb into T1 and Ant put half the car on it/into the dirt. That was not "forget covering".

Yeah, that would win the worst 'defense' of the season award. It's so difficult to overtake here, you need to be less than 0.4s coming out of the final corner with DRS and even then, if you hold the inside line that's the chance gone because the corner just does not allow overtakes on the outside.

I would not even suggest to go for the inside. If he brakes on the line, there is basically no chance to make this stick. See Verstappen at the start when he took two car length from Lando on the inside. Was he afraid of Oscar taking him out?

This is ridiculous! Stop associating Mercedes and Antonelli like they had anything to do with Mclaren and their championship fight. It is Mclaren's fault that they had a double DNF in Vegas and a terrible strategy call in Qatar that made it even remotley possible for Max to be in this championship fight. To be honest, It is thanks to Antonelli that he held Norris for that long before he caught Sainz but I shouldn't say "held" because he only cared about his race was only gunning for the podium.

[OverheatedTurbo]

We got people here having suspicion about Merc helping Mclaren? Who cares? Red Bull have two additional single seaters at their disposal and can use them to mess with Mclaren at any given moment. Anything is fair game against a team that has a “sister” team. Anyways, I don’t think Merc is helping Mclaren out, but even if they did, why does it matter? That is a Max/Red Bull problem.

When did they do it this year? Or in the previous years?

Never, I think this is a nothingburger. Same as the constant accusations of RedBull having help by their second team, nothing is more monitored by the FIA, they just wait for an error. And so did Hadjar jump out of the way when Norris was anywhere close in the last races. We saw the very same in many seasons with a tight ending...like 2016 Vettel trying to stay out of the feet of Rosberg. Or the last part of the season 21 where everyone tried to not tango with Ham and Ver.

Here...it is a bit more puzzling still. Ant basically left the track. Was he so much afraid of a crazy divebomb? Why did he not do the same with Norris? He was more in a Petrov situation, where the WDC contender would not stand a chance to overtake and he himself lost precious points. These two points are now missing to tie with Ham, something I would call a great achievement.

And I do not get how that was even possible, Pia reached Ant with a very similar tire age difference as later Norris did. Just keep him a lap behind and the case is closed on even both opponents as the dirty air cost him another 2sec.

Nothing burger? Brother all of the VCARBs are moving chicanes against Verstappen. So he is effectively racing against 17 cars since VCARB always lets him pass.

[hollus]

Mercedes over here, folks. Red Bull is *that* way.

[basti313]

Yeah, that would win the worst 'defense' of the season award. It's so difficult to overtake here, you need to be less than 0.4s coming out of the final corner with DRS and even then, if you hold the inside line that's the chance gone because the corner just does not allow overtakes on the outside.

I would not even suggest to go for the inside. If he brakes on the line, there is basically no chance to make this stick. See Verstappen at the start when he took two car length from Lando on the inside. Was he afraid of Oscar taking him out?

This is ridiculous! Stop associating Mercedes and Antonelli like they had anything to do with Mclaren and their championship fight. It is Mclaren's fault that they had a double DNF in Vegas and a terrible strategy call in Qatar that made it even remotley possible for Max to be in this championship fight. To be honest, It is thanks to Antonelli that he held Norris for that long before he caught Sainz but I shouldn't say "held" because he only cared about his race was only gunning for the podium.

Seems like you did not read what I wrote...

I am not associating anything. Ant clearly did an error on not defending, even moving out of the way in the second stint. I am not claiming this on the WDC, as mentioned clearly above I think he was more afraid of crashing and this not being his race. But I think the latter is wrong, this cost him the podium chance in my point of view.

[SB15]

I would not even suggest to go for the inside. If he brakes on the line, there is basically no chance to make this stick. See Verstappen at the start when he took two car length from Lando on the inside. Was he afraid of Oscar taking him out?

This is ridiculous! Stop associating Mercedes and Antonelli like they had anything to do with Mclaren and their championship fight. It is Mclaren's fault that they had a double DNF in Vegas and a terrible strategy call in Qatar that made it even remotley possible for Max to be in this championship fight. To be honest, It is thanks to Antonelli that he held Norris for that long before he caught Sainz but I shouldn't say "held" because he only cared about his race was only gunning for the podium.

Seems like you did not read what I wrote...

I am not associating anything. Ant clearly did an error on not defending, even moving out of the way in the second stint. I am not claiming this on the WDC, as mentioned clearly above I think he was more afraid of crashing and this not being his race. But I think the latter is wrong, this cost him the podium chance in my point of view.

My quote was more aimed at euv2.