Ferrari SF-26

[Tommy Cookers]

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and an impossible one - PWM

[hollus]

Agree to disagree, guys. Or get another thread.
It is OK if you really want to discuss the sources of those noises, but then please make a thread. Deletions might happen from here on.

[wuzak]

The Ferrari front wing active aero looks like it will be very low drag.

But will it work for low drag mode sections that have corners on them?

[FittingMechanics]

The Ferrari front wing active aero looks like it will be very low drag.

But will it work for low drag mode sections that have corners on them?

Straight mode will have zones where it can be used. I am pretty sure that FIA will play this very cautiously and that those zones will end before any kind of significant corner.

[mzso]

Is this the only real car we have seen that has an inwashing front wing?

Knowing Ferrari's track record it's the exact wrong direction to develop.
Yes, but there's two.

2017 regulation changes: Ferrari aerodynamically and mechanically the best car initially, just hugely underpowered against the PU of Mercedes.

2022 regulation changes: Ferrari the best car initially and at least on par with the RedBull until TD39 came.

Also, in general Ferrari has had clever car characteristics/details which have been copied regularly in many seasons.
So which track record are you talking about exactly?

This is just your rose tinted view. 2017-18 Ferrari used the cheat factor engines, with extra power, which were only made impossible by 2019, with a huge drop in performance. And this in fact just an example of a wrong direction, with the engine, that was inferior for years because of this, optimizing for the illegal developments.

In 2022 they started with an inferior concept that was abandoned. And they only bagged two easy wins because of Red Bull DNFs. And also the red Red Bull was a fair bit overweight for a while. This was also an obvious wrong direction, which they fully abandoned for Red Bull style sidepods.

Going back to the current car, at least it's easier develop a new front wing if it turns out to be the wrong direction again.

[bluechris]

Knowing Ferrari's track record it's the exact wrong direction to develop.
Yes, but there's two.

2017 regulation changes: Ferrari aerodynamically and mechanically the best car initially, just hugely underpowered against the PU of Mercedes.

2022 regulation changes: Ferrari the best car initially and at least on par with the RedBull until TD39 came.

Also, in general Ferrari has had clever car characteristics/details which have been copied regularly in many seasons.
So which track record are you talking about exactly?

This is just your rose tinted view. 2017-18 Ferrari used the cheat factor engines, with extra power, which were only made impossible by 2019, with a huge drop in performance. And this in fact just an example of a wrong direction, with the engine, that was inferior for years because of this, optimizing for the illegal developments.

In 2022 they started with an inferior concept that was abandoned. And they only bagged two easy wins because of Red Bull DNFs. And also the red Red Bull was a fair bit overweight for a while. This was also an obvious wrong direction, which they fully abandoned for Red Bull style sidepods.

Going back to the current car, at least it's easier develop a new front wing if it turns out to be the wrong direction again.

I had asked you again i think, can you point us where is the proof of this? or you came to the thread just to annoy us? I want an official proof of this like the first wings, oil burning from MB etc that the FIA banned the previous years.

[mzso]

I had asked you again i think, can you point us where is the proof of this? or you came to the thread just to annoy us? I want an official proof of this like the first wings, oil burning from MB etc that the FIA banned the previous years.

It's what they call, an open secret.

[LM10]

Knowing Ferrari's track record it's the exact wrong direction to develop.
Yes, but there's two.

2017 regulation changes: Ferrari aerodynamically and mechanically the best car initially, just hugely underpowered against the PU of Mercedes.

2022 regulation changes: Ferrari the best car initially and at least on par with the RedBull until TD39 came.

Also, in general Ferrari has had clever car characteristics/details which have been copied regularly in many seasons.
So which track record are you talking about exactly?

This is just your rose tinted view. 2017-18 Ferrari used the cheat factor engines, with extra power, which were only made impossible by 2019, with a huge drop in performance. And this in fact just an example of a wrong direction, with the engine, that was inferior for years because of this, optimizing for the illegal developments.

In 2022 they started with an inferior concept that was abandoned. And they only bagged two easy wins because of Red Bull DNFs. And also the red Red Bull was a fair bit overweight for a while. This was also an obvious wrong direction, which they fully abandoned for Red Bull style sidepods.

Going back to the current car, at least it's easier develop a new front wing if it turns out to be the wrong direction again.

How can someone be so uninformed about the actual happenings in the seasons despite watching them? In 2017, the first year of the new regulations, there was NO engine drama surrounding Ferrari. Go back and rewatch. The car was called SF70H. It‘s high sidepod inlets were copied throughout the grid.

In 2022 they did not start with an inferior concept. That’s your black or grey or whatever tinted view at best. It was the only car porpoising, but staying stable at the same time - and extracting huge amounts of performance by doing so. The concept was indeed a text-book ground effect concept. Until TD39 came.

If you’re not able to remember major things which happened a few years ago that’s OK, but then don’t come here and talk bullstool.

[hollus]

2026 red card here, folks. CAR. 2026.
Winning or losing or ghosts of red cars past and future in the team thread. Thanks.

[vorticism]

Seems like the Haas has a 4 element FWAS, not just two. Same for Ferrari (might be a shared actuator component). Two symmetrical pivot axis swept back, not a single longitudinal like we see on Merc and RB (render).

The gap at the center would be shrouded by the combined central actuator-endplate.

[Xyz22]

https://x.com/EngDesignIng/status/20154 ... 98211?s=20

[sucof]

https://x.com/EngDesignIng/status/20154 ... 98211?s=20

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G_g1YAvWcAA ... name=small

Come on, this is laughable...
1: at no team are the suspension elements not considered by aerodynamic reasons
2: you could not draw more uneducated and laughable arrows there... this is so un serious even for a forum!

There are like a hundred more and different airflow directions there, with different power, vortices, not including the completely different airflow when cornering and add to that the front DRS usage, what will again alter most of the airflow...