Alonso technical level

[Richard]

All good drivers will be part of the team, give feedback to the technical guys, and as a result have input into how the car is designed.

How anyone on here can possible know how one driver has more input than another is beyond me. It is into the realms of fanboy ying yang.

ps for every example of these guys technical interventions, you could also call say arrogance. Perhaps it is a placebo effect? Tell a driver you've changed part x and he gets a boost to his ego and drives faster?

[Fil]

A turd can be polished!
[vid]

i stand corrected! thanks ringo!

well that just means a turd is better than the R29..

Tell a driver you've changed part x and he gets a boost to his ego and drives faster?

that's what they do when they give a driver a new chassis which comes from the same mould.. everything is identical.. yet the driver knows it is new & instantly their confidence is back and they're quicker.

[Richard]

Tell a driver you've changed part x and he gets a boost to his ego and drives faster?

that's what they do when they give a driver a new chassis which comes from the same mould.. everything is identical.. yet the driver knows it is new & instantly their confidence is back and they're quicker.

Give him a bath showroom and he'll find a new tub, give him a campsite and he'll find 6 tents.

[Fil]

Give him a bath showroom and he'll find a new tub, give him a campsite and he'll find 6 tents.

probably the smartest and most accurate statement made in this (& Lewis' rival) topic! Fantastic!

[ISLAMATRON]

Simply looking..

and there-in lies the problem. it is very rare, and unlikely in this situation, for a simple look to be a reliable or correct view.

no matter how good your polishing skills are, sometimes you just can't polish a turd (or a Renault!).


none of us, unless we have worked directly with the F1 drivers, can give an honest or correct account of their technical level or skills. we can only provide an uneducated and unreliable personal guess. you are deluding yourselves to attempt to pretend it is anything more than that.

this is a pointless topic when personalised about specific drivers.

why not just discuss whether a technically-minded driver is important/vital for a championship-winning car..

The lack of information we have is exactly why the best anlysis we can put together comes from the on track results.

Early in 2009, from the qualifying results, we can clearly see that the Renault was the better/faster car, but possibly thru Hamilton's technical/developmental skill and Alonso's lack thereof(reletive to Hamilton of course) the MP4/24 bacame a race winning car while the renault continued to drop further down the field.

Or it all could have been just down to the teams with the drivers playing a very minor role.

One could argue that renault stopped development of the car sooner than McLaren, well then so did Ferrari but they continued to improve and eventually won a race, so that partially nullifies that arguement.

After all the results are looked at one must conclude that Alonso has not got any significant results in the last 2 years(except for the fixed race)... and decide for themselves why and what it tells us.

What I have concluded for myself, is that Alonso is not as good as many claim and that he has do to do anything spectaular without the Michilin tires as an advantage over his rivals.

[vall]

After all the results are looked at one must conclude that Alonso has not got any significant results in the last 2 years(except for the fixed race)... and decide for themselves why and what it tells us.

you've got a short memory or what? Or you just see, hear and remember what you want to? After the so called fixed race he won the next one and was solid 2dn in Brazil, while LH got spanked by Vetel and was a few turns of blowing it badly again.

What I have concluded for myself, is that Alonso is not as good as many claim and that he has do to do anything spectaular without the Michilin tires as an advantage over his rivals.

again a pointless claim. If I remember right, there were other teams running on Michelin at the time, but your point is the they made special tires for Renault and Alonso? Any proof? Accept it, Alonso is an excellent driver, probably the best out there, and Renault were gaining momentum with him since 2003. When they finally provided him with a winning car, he got the job done. It seems that for some - completely unjustified according to you - reason, most F1 people consider him as very good technically, setting up the car, giving feedback, etc. I ask again, why should we trust you, your opinion, and not what the professionals think?

[ISLAMATRON]

After all the results are looked at one must conclude that Alonso has not got any significant results in the last 2 years(except for the fixed race)... and decide for themselves why and what it tells us.

you've got a short memory or what? Or you just see, hear and remember what you want to? After the so called fixed race he won the next one and was solid 2dn in Brazil, while LH got spanked by Vetel and was a few turns of blowing it badly again.

It seems to be you with the short memory... or maybe you just look at the published results without actually watching the race... Alonso won in Fuji only because Hamilton & Heikki ran Kimi off the road and then Massa ran into Hamilton... it was a lucky win, not something that came from a spectacular drive from Alonso. Try watching the races sometime, they are actually quite enjoyable.

And Hamilton was not "spanked " by Vettle, a backmarker held him up and that gave Vettle a chance to get by in Brazil... again please refrain from posting about the races until you actually watch them. There is much more to them then just the final published results... for example Massa must have been horrible in Hungary '08 to have finished just 17th when his teammate was 3rd huh?

[Giblet]

You have a severe mental block on the proper spelling of Vettel.

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[ISLAMATRON]

I aint his momma, I dont care how he spells it, and its a different language so it matters not... how many different ways is my name spelled in english(the most common name in the World & after the most influential Human being in the history of this world(not just my opinion)? In either spelling it is still pronounced in english differently than it is in Zee German.

[Richard]

my name ... the most common name in the World

Curious, I've never met someone called Islamatron before.

[ISLAMATRON]

Lucky you

[ringo]

After all the results are looked at one must conclude that Alonso has not got any significant results in the last 2 years(except for the fixed race)... and decide for themselves why and what it tells us.

you've got a short memory or what? Or you just see, hear and remember what you want to? After the so called fixed race he won the next one and was solid 2dn in Brazil, while LH got spanked by Vetel and was a few turns of blowing it badly again.

It seems to be you with the short memory... or maybe you just look at the published results without actually watching the race... Alonso won in Fuji only because Hamilton & Heikki ran Kimi off the road and then Massa ran into Hamilton... it was a lucky win, not something that came from a spectacular drive from Alonso. Try watching the races sometime, they are actually quite enjoyable.

And Hamilton was not "spanked " by Vettle, a backmarker held him up and that gave Vettle a chance to get by in Brazil... again please refrain from posting about the races until you actually watch them. There is much more to them then just the final published results... for example Massa must have been horrible in Hungary '08 to have finished just 17th when his teammate was 3rd huh?

That would be wild man Kubica. He seems to like driving side by side through turns. Vettel's pass was pretty much made possible with Kubica being a little stubborn to let Lewis through and the fact that the the little scuffle exacerbated the the tyre degradation. I agree, he was not spanked, I don't think Lewis will be merciful in the future to Vettel if there is a chance Vettel will be champion with 1 point to close the deal.

[ISLAMATRON]

Actually if I remember correctly, Kubica was driving very well at the end of that race and managed to unlap himself from both Vettle & Hamilton, but by doing so severely hindered Hamilton's momentum allowing Vettle to make a pretty good pass.

I cant remember if Kubica was on another type of tire better suited to the conditions which allowed him to be so much faster than Vettel & Hamilton at that point in the race... or maybe he had much fresher tires.

[timbo]

What I have concluded for myself, is that Alonso is not as good as many claim and that he has do to do anything spectaular without the Michilin tires as an advantage over his rivals.

But was he only driver using Michelins those days? Why others never managed to use them as good?

[marcush.]

I assume some drivers are more persuasive than others ,and maybe some just don´t care ,because they could not even describe what they really need to unleash their whole potential.
In this ,Alonso may be a guy able to put some ideas into the heads of the technical
staff ,and at least at Renault ,I ´could imagine no Nelsinho no Romain G.had the standing of him so their opinion was not even heard let alone considered...
At Macs Alonso surely had it his ways at the start but unfortunatelly this did not help him to dominate LH and as theres no chance to hide in a team theres only one
possibility to sta in front :try harder in every aspect of your being.Of course this
all did not do well Mr.alonsos psyche as the boy was in fact on his level from the word go .Only normal to look somewhere else for the reasons for it to happen.
These guys all admit to believe they are the best ,and of course nobody would admit to them that theres always one that can top your superhuman abilities...so Fernando decided to blame the team instead of accepting he had found someone on his very high level -remeber he just had got rid of Mr.Schumacher..-and now again a supertalent,impossible.
For the drivers it is more than obvious that apart from being in avery good physical shape the most important aspect is to keep your psyche in a positive
I will deliver approach and transport this feeling as deep as possible into the group of people working their arse off for you.To keep the driver in this focused
shape ,he is allowed almost anything as long as his laptimes improve -the results come.He can be engineer ,designer and what have you..