2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

[RS200E]

I've read that McLaren are usually fast in practice because they have one of the best simulators. Might be a lot of crap. Looking forward to qualy though, but mostly hoping that there is reliability and less fuel saving with this new engine. Not read anything that says this new engine is less thirsty...

Its a fuel limited formula, if the new PU makes more power, its a given that fuel consumption will improve.

It's that simple?

[Sayeman]

"Boullier ruled out that McLaren could take one year with a Mercedes engine, and then return to Hondo - according to him, someone just broke one of his statements from the context. Against such a move, Hasegawa laughed resolutely with a wide laugh."

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Lol Hasegawa knows that Honda have Mclaren by the b***s, all they can do is whine and use threats. The contract is for 10 years, no way Honda will roll over just like that.

[Redragon]

Wait for Q to see the real gap

So where it is your Mclaren-Mercedes deal? Or wait a moment there is not.

[Mad]

Wait for Q to see the real gap

So where it is your Mclaren-Mercedes deal? Or wait a moment there is not.

Boulier was so hungry for a Mercedes engine that he probably ate the contract.

[ZakB]

Stick with Honda, let Alonso go, sign Sainz and wait another year for them to catch up. It seems that the development path they are taking is the right one, so they will be at least the 4th fastest team next year + 100 million. Or you can run customer Mercedes, be 4th fastest and lose money, which you can't spend on development of the car. Case closed, bye.

[Sayeman]

Stick with Honda, let Alonso go, sign Sainz and wait another year for them to catch up. It seems that the development path they are taking is the right one, so they will be at least the 4th fastest team next year + 100 million. Or you can run customer Mercedes, be 4th fastest and lose money, which you can't spend on development of the car. Case closed, bye.

But isn't a Mercedes engine supposed to magically fix all of Mclaren's woes?

[RS200E]

Wait for Q to see the real gap

So where it is your Mclaren-Mercedes deal? Or wait a moment there is not.

It could have went either way really. In Baku McLaren could have had the new engine blow up in practice and a double engine failure in the race. McLaren might well have looked more into a switch then. It's all speculation and retrospect and we are all guilty of it, so no point in calling someone out on it as it's very childish.

[ZakB]

Stick with Honda, let Alonso go, sign Sainz and wait another year for them to catch up. It seems that the development path they are taking is the right one, so they will be at least the 4th fastest team next year + 100 million. Or you can run customer Mercedes, be 4th fastest and lose money, which you can't spend on development of the car. Case closed, bye.

But isn't a Mercedes engine supposed to magically fix all of Mclaren's woes?

Well you lose 100 million, which you can spend on development. I'm not sure if the shareholders will give that to them if they switch to Mercedes and I still highly doubt if a customer team can beat the works teams. They now have at least the right concept and if the new engine is reliable it's a big step forward, because it will make the development a whole lot easier.

[Redragon]

Wait for Q to see the real gap

So where it is your Mclaren-Mercedes deal? Or wait a moment there is not.

It could have went either way really. In Baku McLaren could have had the new engine blow up in practice and a double engine failure in the race. McLaren might well have looked more into a switch then. It's all speculation and retrospect and we are all guilty of it, so no point in calling someone out on it as it's very childish.

He stated on this forum that deal was done already and he will talk to me when publish, I am waiting he face his bs

This is his quote: It's happening, I'll speak to you when it's announced. Page 247 of this tread if you want to check

[Mad]

So where it is your Mclaren-Mercedes deal? Or wait a moment there is not.

It could have went either way really. In Baku McLaren could have had the new engine blow up in practice and a double engine failure in the race. McLaren might well have looked more into a switch then. It's all speculation and retrospect and we are all guilty of it, so no point in calling someone out on it as it's very childish.

He stated on this forum that deal was done already and he will talk to me when publish, I am waiting he face his bs

This is his quote: It's happening, I'll speak to you when it's announced. Page 247 of this tread if you want to check

Desperation turned into delusion, thats what happened

[RS200E]

So where it is your Mclaren-Mercedes deal? Or wait a moment there is not.

It could have went either way really. In Baku McLaren could have had the new engine blow up in practice and a double engine failure in the race. McLaren might well have looked more into a switch then. It's all speculation and retrospect and we are all guilty of it, so no point in calling someone out on it as it's very childish.

He stated on this forum that deal was done already and he will talk to me when publish, I am waiting he face his bs

This is his quote: It's happening, I'll speak to you when it's announced. Page 247 of this tread if you want to check

Strong words from him yes but personally I took that with a pinch of salt. Just another person on a forum speculating.

[Mad]

Wait for Q to see the real gap

So where it is your Mclaren-Mercedes deal? Or wait a moment there is not.

It could have went either way really. In Baku McLaren could have had the new engine blow up in practice and a double engine failure in the race. McLaren might well have looked more into a switch then. It's all speculation and retrospect and we are all guilty of it, so no point in calling someone out on it as it's very childish.

Do u think it would be that easy for Mclaren to switch? Honda has been saying from the start that this will be a long project. The reason they are paying Mclaren so much money is to make the initial hurdle easier to bear. Dennis knew that and didn't make too much of a fuss these last 2 years but these new owners want to win now. Only way they will get the Merc engines is to buy Honda out of the contract.

Don't think they have the money for that, already struggling to pay Dennis for his shares. Only strategy is to shame Honda publicly so that Honda tear up the contract themselves. Like Mateschitz, they are finding out that only way is to beg FIA for a independent engine supplier and shut up.

[Redragon]

It could have went either way really. In Baku McLaren could have had the new engine blow up in practice and a double engine failure in the race. McLaren might well have looked more into a switch then. It's all speculation and retrospect and we are all guilty of it, so no point in calling someone out on it as it's very childish.

He stated on this forum that deal was done already and he will talk to me when publish, I am waiting he face his bs

This is his quote: It's happening, I'll speak to you when it's announced. Page 247 of this tread if you want to check

Strong words from him yes but personally I took that with a pinch of salt. Just another person on a forum speculating.

He made it personal on first place, so I brought him back his BS. Hopefully in future He would be a bit more acceptable on different views and opinions on the forum. That this it is a Forum to discuss about F1. Anyway let's see how this Honda engine progress in Spa hopefully we would have better idea of it

[GoranF1]

Dont worry...Honda will fail on Sunday, the Mercedes talk will be back soon.

[ZakB]

So where it is your Mclaren-Mercedes deal? Or wait a moment there is not.

It could have went either way really. In Baku McLaren could have had the new engine blow up in practice and a double engine failure in the race. McLaren might well have looked more into a switch then. It's all speculation and retrospect and we are all guilty of it, so no point in calling someone out on it as it's very childish.

Do u think it would be that easy for Mclaren to switch? Honda has been saying from the start that this will be a long project. The reason they are paying Mclaren so much money is to make the initial hurdle easier to bear. Dennis knew that and didn't make too much of a fuss these last 2 years but these new owners want to win now. Only way they will get the Merc engines is to buy Honda out of the contract.

Don't think they have the money for that, already struggling to pay Dennis for his shares. Only strategy is to shame Honda publicly so that Honda tear up the contract themselves. Like Mateschitz, they are finding out that only way is to beg FIA for a independent engine supplier and shut up.

Lol, Honda never said that it would take years to catch up. Remember Arai and his predictions? You make a lot of suggestions, which are all based on thin air. Already struggling to pay Dennis for his shares? Lol, yeah maybe you can donate some money to Mumtalakat and Mansour, they clearly need it.