ZakB wrote: ↑04 Sep 2017, 00:01
GhostF1 wrote: ↑03 Sep 2017, 23:52
ZakB wrote: ↑03 Sep 2017, 23:43
Yeah, the aero department of McLaren is run by retards and Red Bull are so superior. McLaren says it can battle with Red Bull, which is based on actual data and calculations, instead of your suggestions based on thin air. Some people forget that there is also a possibility that Renault can improve in 2018, which is the reason why they haven't introduced many updates this year.
Stick with Honda...how many points?
Where did I say McLaren are retards? Let's remember that this year is the first good year in a while now that McLaren has had, chassis wise. I'm not calling them morons at all. What I'm saying is, it's ludicrous to assume they'll suddenly be Red Bull level with a different engine. That is not likely.
Also, just to keep this form at least remotely based on facts... Alonso's retirement was a gearbox fault, which he'd been dealing with the whole race with slow, jarring upshifts, they retired early for the free change they'll get for next race.
Just look at all the comments from analysts, they feel the McLaren chassis is one of the best out there. How good it is with a Renault engine? Hard to say, but you already say it's moronic to think that they can battle with Red Bull. McLaren must feel pretty confident if they are willing to switch to Mercedes, Ferrari or Renault. McLaren still have amazing facilities and after 2014 a lot has changed and their aero department seems back on track. Just look at the development rate of McLaren, there is almost no team that bring as many new parts as they do.
"I'm happy, I'm with the best team of my career," said Alonso.
"The level of knowledge and detail that I found here is probably the best.
"The analysis, the work in the factory, the philosophy of designing the car is completely different to what I was used to.
"The driver input and the driver implications are much greater here so we're just missing a competitive car.
"For organisation and things like that, the team is just amazing."
You guys have no faith in McLaren, but will defend Honda at any cost.
Noo.... There you go again with rubbish assumptions. Stop assuming bulls*** that I'm not even saying...
I have utmost faith in McLaren's ability to make a great car and I think this year, it's undeniably a great chassis. I am not willing to say they can surpass Red Bull straight away though just with a Renault PU. You can go ahead and do that if you want. But saying they'll be a top 3 team undoubtedly is no better than me suggesting Honda's engine will come good and next years, considering it's finally a continued development of the same platform unlike years prior, will likely be around Renault's level.
I'm quick to defend Honda, I'll admit, because it isn't unwarranted. Credit is due even though there are issues. I can't deal with whiney yobs that actually have no idea what's going on and completely disregard the pattern and previous scenario's or just general information that have gotten them here. I'm not that kind of fan who only is interested in results and choose to post snide remarks every fortnight.
They have made strides in a matter of weeks, sure they had a poor showing at Spa where we all knew it was going to be tough without that expected upgrade, another engine development for Monza and their pace was undeniably improved. We know a large portion of one of these updates was focused on power delivery and low engine speed pick up which should shine at a track like Singapore, we'll probably see another engine update there as well.
As far as I can tell, 99% of this forum said they should just bring updates as soon as they are ready, who cares about waiting. This is now happening, AND YET... there are now blow-ups on here but about the fact they are bringing updates too often!!! Haha it's incredible. Incessant moaning from people who need a target to aim at all times.
They are in poor form, obviously, and I understand your frustration and the entire team and fanbase's but they are now in a situation where it is only going upwards from here, Renault and losing the benefits of a works outfit... I cannot bring myself to say is a worthy enough jump. If it was a Merc ready to be chucked in, it would probably be a different story.
