2018 pre-season testing thread

[TheGkbrk]

How did Mclaren pace looked like?

[kurwex]

How did Mclaren pace looked like?

I don't think that they have top three teams pace.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

How did Mclaren pace looked like?

Garbage.

[Phil]

I don't think the fact that the first stint was on SS is a factor that will make you 'faster' over a race distance - it's just a strategic comparison over what might be the better ways to run a race. SS should start faster in theory, but not if you're having to nurse them longer to make them last; if you pit earlier, and have to run longer on Meds, that will also slow you down vs. someone who's running a higher proportion of the race on softer tyres. So it's all a strategic choice about what ends up being quicker over the full distance.

So I think the 0.2 per lap is a valid comparison, just that these are two diverging strategies, one of which may be better than the other (also depending on car/tyre characteristics).

On the contrary I would say that using SS make you slower over the whole race sim.
And i would not say that are different strategies at least not "race" strategies...you can't start on medium in the real race and you can't use always the same tyre

IMO the most important thing to compare is knowing that the fuel loads are similar. Regardless what tires they are running, we know for a fact that the car is relatively full when the race sim started and relatively empty when it finished it. So even if Vettel used the SS in his first stint, we know on a lap per lap basis that the fuel loads are give or take around the same. Yes, the tire compound will make a difference, but it won't when we compare stint number 2 and stint number 3 of similar length on similar fuel loads.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

Based on Race Sim, here are my predictions.
1. Mercedes
2. Red Bull
3. Ferrari
4. Renault

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Allison was spot on when he said the following yesterday.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13471 ... w-a-threat

"I think there's three quick teams and there's no doubt that Red Bull are going to be people that we're going to be fighting with this year," Allison told Sky Sports News. "There's clearly no doubt about that.

[MtthsMlw]

How did Mclaren pace looked like?

Well...
2nd Stint on Soft
22 laps avg. 1:24,2 nearly 2 seconds behind Ferrari and Red Bull

and yes I know this isn't a final conclusion

[f1316]

Based on Race Sim, here are my predictions.
1. Mercedes
2. Red Bull
3. Ferrari
4. Renault

Click to Enlarge.
https://s9.postimg.org/iu7z30w4v/race_sim_compared.png

Allison was spot on when he said the following yesterday.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13471 ... w-a-threat

"I think there's three quick teams and there's no doubt that Red Bull are going to be people that we're going to be fighting with this year," Allison told Sky Sports News. "There's clearly no doubt about that.

How do you get RB ahead of Ferrari from that sim?

[motobaleno]

IMO the most important thing to compare is knowing that the fuel loads are similar. Regardless what tires they are running, we know for a fact that the car is relatively full when the race sim started and relatively empty when it finished it. So even if Vettel used the SS in his first stint, we know on a lap per lap basis that the fuel loads are give or take around the same. Yes, the tire compound will make a difference, but it won't when we compare stint number 2 and stint number 3 of similar length on similar fuel loads.

I agree with you for what concerns fuel load: during the same lap they had very similar fuel load.
but the tyre wear is more difficult to compare since the pit stop occurred in pretty different moments....not so negligible...
given this and looking at the times alone, my sensation too is that mercedes seems faster (but less faster than a first look to the laptimes alone suggests)
the very difficult variable to quantify remains the different daytime of race sim

verstappen and vettel did at the same daytime (with the same difference in tire used) and in this case I'm sure (imho obviously) that vettel sim was better.

[NathanOlder]

I have Merc out front and RB and Ferrari level with Renault just behind.

and Mclaren a lap down

[GPR-A duplicate2]

Based on Race Sim, here are my predictions.
1. Mercedes
2. Red Bull
3. Ferrari
4. Renault

Click to Enlarge.
https://s9.postimg.org/iu7z30w4v/race_sim_compared.png

Allison was spot on when he said the following yesterday.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13471 ... w-a-threat

"I think there's three quick teams and there's no doubt that Red Bull are going to be people that we're going to be fighting with this year," Allison told Sky Sports News. "There's clearly no doubt about that.

How do you get RB ahead of Ferrari from that sim?

Only because, RB started the first stint on Mediums and Ferrari on SuperSoft (2 step softer), but the pace is similar.

[LM10]

Based on Race Sim, here are my predictions.
1. Mercedes
2. Red Bull
3. Ferrari
4. Renault

Click to Enlarge.
https://s9.postimg.org/iu7z30w4v/race_sim_compared.png

Allison was spot on when he said the following yesterday.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13471 ... w-a-threat

How do you get RB ahead of Ferrari from that sim?

Only because, RB started the first stint on Mediums and Ferrari on SuperSoft (2 step softer), but the pace is similar.

What if the supersofts on Vettel were used to do a proper race sim?

[motobaleno]

Based on Race Sim, here are my predictions.
1. Mercedes
2. Red Bull
3. Ferrari
4. Renault

Click to Enlarge.
https://s9.postimg.org/iu7z30w4v/race_sim_compared.png

Allison was spot on when he said the following yesterday.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13471 ... w-a-threat

"I think there's three quick teams and there's no doubt that Red Bull are going to be people that we're going to be fighting with this year," Allison told Sky Sports News. "There's clearly no doubt about that.

If you retrieve you pecking order on allison statements ok but there is not one single thing in favore of RB ahead of ferrari from race sim.

[motobaleno]

Only because, RB started the first stint on Mediums and Ferrari on SuperSoft (2 step softer), but the pace is similar.

that's implies just the opposite:
vettel was forced to do longer 2 and 3 stints on medium and even so was faster (on the same lap with older tyre of equal compound) than verstappen

[f1316]

Based on Race Sim, here are my predictions.
1. Mercedes
2. Red Bull
3. Ferrari
4. Renault

Click to Enlarge.
https://s9.postimg.org/iu7z30w4v/race_sim_compared.png

Allison was spot on when he said the following yesterday.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13471 ... w-a-threat

How do you get RB ahead of Ferrari from that sim?

Only because, RB started the first stint on Mediums and Ferrari on SuperSoft (2 step softer), but the pace is similar.

Sure, I agree that all three are quite similar.

On paper, you'd say Mercedes has the edge (to the tune of 0.2 per lap over Ferrari) but I think motobaleno's point about the tyres is valid - Bottas' strategy isn't something you would be allowed to do over a race distance, so skews results (and I think *not* running SS is actually beneficial, as they go off too quickly and you have to stretch other stints).

[Chene_Mostert]

"No superhard for Hamilton
Lewis Hamilton hasn't done a run on superhards, it was on hard. We still have to get used to the new colour scheme and all the new compounds Pirelli has come up with, apologies."

Always the same...