2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

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I guess it's just the era of entitlement, in dutch the "rubbertegel-maakbare-wereld-poppetjes".
Sorry, impossible to put properly in english, but you understand ..
HuggaWugga !

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By the way, I'm already preparing things for the preseason tests. This season is over, so I'm more excited to what is to come on the aero concept of the RB16 and Honda. I will be there all 6 days with a lot of cameras to record a lot of videos. And maybe it will end the nonsense about who did this or that. That's racing, and sometimes you get frustrated (myself a lot too). But in the end, no need to take things too far

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Marti you are usually a breath of fresh air and I enjoy you posts (also when they are critical) and I agree with your sentiment as well.

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langedweil wrote:
30 Oct 2019, 18:52
I guess it's just the era of entitlement, in dutch the "rubbertegel-maakbare-wereld-poppetjes".
Sorry, impossible to put properly in english, but you understand ..
lol google translates that too...
rubber tile makeable world dolls
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If you are in LA, today's the F1 Fan Event on Hollywood Blvd. Max and other drivers will be there.
https://twitter.com/redbullracing/statu ... 2308434944

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dans79 wrote:
30 Oct 2019, 19:14
langedweil wrote:
30 Oct 2019, 18:52
I guess it's just the era of entitlement, in dutch the "rubbertegel-maakbare-wereld-poppetjes".
Sorry, impossible to put properly in english, but you understand ..
lol google translates that too...
rubber tile makeable world dolls
:lol: :lol:
Kinda like that yeah, but Google isn't doing too well in translating funny irony ..
HuggaWugga !

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looking at the main straight I'd say honda's Q3 mode is more or less equal with mercedes. In mexico at least. Identical acceleration from 200-350 kmh.

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Sieper wrote:
30 Oct 2019, 19:03
Marti you are usually a breath of fresh air and I enjoy you posts (also when they are critical) and I agree with your sentiment as well.
Thanks! I try to stay "calm" (not always :lol:) and to be positive. Also, I love to share with all of you when I go to the track at the tests or GP. It's one of the bests moments of the year (a lot of power banks needed too :lol:)

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Capharol wrote:
30 Oct 2019, 18:48
Sieper wrote:
30 Oct 2019, 18:24
It was Lewis who took the risk, and then handily shifted it to Max afterwards in the PC.

But it is ALWAYS the same guys who go in attack mode EVERY time Max' result has been anything less then perfect. The race thread is not enough they have to come and also do the same in the team thread once over. Let me tell you that if next race Max puts Lewis outside of the white lines (instead of Lewis Max like happened in Mexico) it will be an outcry from the same crowd. And in fact, it will likely be a penalty as well.

THAT is the reason Lewis is playing these games.
agree
Don't want to restart this discussion, but I can't agree more. Its just one of Hams mind games, and is actually a nasty try to axe Ver down. Palmer's analysis is in that way spot on. I think Ham perfectly understands that his main competitor is Ver and not Vet or Lec.

In a way you can see some fear in it for Ham which might be a promising sign for next year. They may know more than we do, aren't they.

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Sieper wrote:
30 Oct 2019, 18:24
It was Lewis who took the risk, and then handily shifted it to Max afterwards in the PC.

But it is ALWAYS the same guys who go in attack mode EVERY time Max' result has been anything less then perfect. The race thread is not enough they have to come and also do the same in the team thread once over. Let me tell you that if next race Max puts Lewis outside of the white lines (instead of Lewis Max like happened in Mexico) it will be an outcry from the same crowd. And in fact, it will likely be a penalty as well.

THAT is the reason Lewis is playing these games. And now by posting this I WILL get attacked again (what bullshit, so stupid, wrong on all accounts for this and that reason etc. etc.) that is the reason I less and less reply to them anymore. I don't enjoy it and I feel I should not even start a defensive fight simply because someone goes on the attack. In fact by defending you validate the standpoint. I was asked to reply so I did but grudgingly.

Have a search on race threads or in team topics how often I go into the attack on Lewis once he has a less then perfect weekend.
I have to agree with that. I have never read one bad word from you about Lewis. You are always very positive about his talent.
I have often noticed that you want to keep the peace when someone is attacked here again, because you don't like fierce discussions.
I wanted to respond to your message, I saw it was deleted, so I used @Capharol's message to quote you.
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Capharol wrote:
30 Oct 2019, 16:59
GPR -A wrote:
30 Oct 2019, 15:45
Wouter wrote:
30 Oct 2019, 14:34


Could you perhaps list me all the races since Canada 2018? I am very curious about that.
30% -40%?
Is there a reason why you ask, since Canada 2018? You can't cherry pick a period to prove a clean track record.

Including the first few race of 2018 and at Suzuka, he was miserable. In 2019, coming together with Sainz in Bahrain, the British GP incident with Vettel. He was lucky to get away with Austria when he bumped Leclerc off the track as stewards wanted to be lenient towards on track incidents. If it were to repeat now, Leclerc would rather crash with him than to leave the track. That's how he has evolved now, which he displayed in Britain while fighting with Max. Needless to highlight Spa where he repeated the same mistake from the past, going for a gap which was never going to be there.

The reason why Max is being criticized, is because he has a troublesome past on track. No doubt he had a decent outing in between, but once again, he has gone back to his old ways. Like Lewis mentioned, he is a magnet towards so many incidents. May be he is not entirely at fault in many of those, but the fact that he gets into such places, makes one question his presence of mind in such racy situations.
never ever read so many BS in 1 post..... because was it all his to blame? did the stewards penalized him for it ?..... NO
If I was a team principal, I'd love to have a driver like Max. But he'd stop that BS.

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After all this years, Honda has finally caught Mercedes. The 2017 promise finally fulfilled.

But with Mercedes saying that they have found out about Ferrari's secret, wonder what Honda is doing. Honda and Renault is in danger of falling behind the top 2 again.
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Sayeman wrote:
31 Oct 2019, 04:57
After all this years, Honda has finally caught Mercedes. The 2017 promise finally fulfilled.

But with Mercedes saying that they have found out about Ferrari's secret, wonder what Honda is doing. Honda and Renault is in danger of falling behind the top 2 again.
You can't say they will fall behind. Honda maybe have also found it or something similar. But they often remain quiet and silent about. We will see next season... 8)

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I agree this is a danger. Ferrari made such a quantum leap, what If Mercedes suddenly (at season start nobody will be surprised) makes a similar jump. Then is is “just a very good design”. 2020 winter period will be a tense one.

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Big leap in performance are impossible after 6 years of development or more if you consider the regulations started way back in 2007 .the rules are pretty prescriptive in terms of material usage and technology.Honda development rate have been higher than Mercedes so respect and credit were credit is due,and their combustion tech is only 3 years old and according to asaki they still room for improvement.ferrari are doing something something with their pu.