Then don't read the thread.101FlyingDutchman wrote: ↑18 May 2020, 10:22Snore snore bore bore. Personal opinions and emotions galore. None of it baked in any cake of reality
Then don't read the thread.101FlyingDutchman wrote: ↑18 May 2020, 10:22Snore snore bore bore. Personal opinions and emotions galore. None of it baked in any cake of reality
Not to mention the Mission Winnow sponsor issues in the last 2 years...Jolle wrote: ↑18 May 2020, 13:51If all the rumours about Vettel's departure are true and it started with Binotto coming into power, it feels like a big departure from the "claws" of PM.
Is this big thing some part of something even bigger inside the Ferrari/PM partnership? Of course, Arriviabenne was a real PM guy, building on proven talent and champions from the past. Binotto of course is 100% Ferrari and not marketing. So... a possible clash higher up, departing from the PM ways, and as soon as the contracts were over, replacing the drivers with the future?
Now we see that this may have very well been the caseJolle wrote: ↑12 May 2020, 15:28They made him an offer, not the best offer... he decided not to take it. Not like they already had another driver and just said “goodbye“.ENGINE TUNER wrote: ↑12 May 2020, 15:24Yeah , sure, ramming into teammates is the perfect way to ensure job security.
Don't forget, F1 is entering a new era with cost containment. They can't spend whatever they want on drivers anymore, and a huge driver salary like Vettel's would have been a significant portion of the overall budget.Jolle wrote: ↑18 May 2020, 13:51If all the rumours about Vettel's departure are true and it started with Binotto coming into power, it feels like a big departure from the "claws" of PM.
Is this big thing some part of something even bigger inside the Ferrari/PM partnership? Of course, Arriviabenne was a real PM guy, building on proven talent and champions from the past. Binotto of course is 100% Ferrari and not marketing. So... a possible clash higher up, departing from the PM ways, and as soon as the contracts were over, replacing the drivers with the future?
TOs in Australia? What? I´ve watched a highlights video, but couldn´t find any either.
No they didn´t win, but it was close, despite the 3 races (75 points) difference in Germany...shamyakovic wrote: ↑18 May 2020, 08:04AFASIK Alonso didnot win the WDC in 2010, so backing him didnot prove right coz Alonso made some silly errors in Spa, Britain which is what cost the WDC
Disagree, they have to quietly access their options before dumping him, they were looking to possibly/probably replace him, but weren't 100%, they couldn't tip their hand before knowing who was a possible candidate. VET didn't deserve any more consideration than he received, especially since he never showed having the team's best interest in his actions.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑18 May 2020, 13:13I must say that, whilst I'm no fan of Vettel, I can't help but feel he's been dropped a bit harshly. If it had been a mutual "we can't agree terms" split then fair enough, but for Ferrari to go behind his back and effectively sign Sainz before discussing the future with Vettel is a bit crass.
Take this with a grain of salt, but I read somewhere they will save 30 millions with Carlos-Vettel swap. I didn´t take it too seriously, so you probably shouldn´t eitherRingleheim wrote: ↑18 May 2020, 19:54I think I read somewhere that Sainz will earn 3 times what he earned at McLaren, which probably wasn't very much. I.E., he is working for a tiny fraction of Vettel's what? $35 million US? More?
Philip Morris is one of the big exemptions that are not effected in any way by the pandemic and are against cost capping.Ringleheim wrote: ↑18 May 2020, 19:54Don't forget, F1 is entering a new era with cost containment. They can't spend whatever they want on drivers anymore, and a huge driver salary like Vettel's would have been a significant portion of the overall budget.Jolle wrote: ↑18 May 2020, 13:51If all the rumours about Vettel's departure are true and it started with Binotto coming into power, it feels like a big departure from the "claws" of PM.
Is this big thing some part of something even bigger inside the Ferrari/PM partnership? Of course, Arriviabenne was a real PM guy, building on proven talent and champions from the past. Binotto of course is 100% Ferrari and not marketing. So... a possible clash higher up, departing from the PM ways, and as soon as the contracts were over, replacing the drivers with the future?
I don't think the brass at Ferrari felt Vettel at this point in his career was returning that level of performance/reliability on track, so they let him go.
I think I read somewhere that Sainz will earn 3 times what he earned at McLaren, which probably wasn't very much. I.E., he is working for a tiny fraction of Vettel's what? $35 million US? More?
All for a guy who is steady, reliable #2 to Leclerc.
I personally don't like the hire and would have loved to see them get Ricciardo or Fred Alonso instead, but I understand the logic of moving on from Vettel.
He strikes me as a guy who has lost the fire he used to have, and he did so some time ago!
Aren't driver salaries outside the cost cap? I know that the midfield teams want the drivers' salaries included, presumably hoping that the best drivers will then become cheaper to hire...Ringleheim wrote: ↑18 May 2020, 19:54
Don't forget, F1 is entering a new era with cost containment. They can't spend whatever they want on drivers anymore, and a huge driver salary like Vettel's would have been a significant portion of the overall budget.
Race craft is also executing the strategy or reading the race to come up with new stratgy or tactics... Managing the tyres.. All that stuff.ferkan wrote: ↑18 May 2020, 09:32Not sure I agree with that. You mean Carlos race pace was better relative to his team mate then CLs? That I agree with. Vettel still had slight advantage on average over Leclerc in race pace, although Leclerc on his day (Bahrain, Spa, Monza, France, Silverstone) looked quite a bit faster.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑17 May 2020, 23:26Carlos has better Racecraft than Leclerc so dont worry about qualifying they will fighting for fifth and sixth if Ferrari dont fix the aero problem next year!ferkan wrote: ↑17 May 2020, 16:04Here is what I think. Vettel is still very, very fast. Back in 14' he was further behind Ric on race pace and very, very close on quali pace. These cars where not as fitting to his style as 10'-13' ones, nor the ones he drove last few years. Yet, Leclerc seemed to have more raw speed with 21yrs and only rookie season behind him.
Sainz...Sainz is solid, consistant and relatively fast, but Hulk beat him easily in 18' and he lost quali battle to Norris. I can see him being closer to Leclerc in race pace, but judging by winter testing and Leclercs advantage over Vettel, I can see this being VERY one sided duel. I expect 3-4 tenths on averag in quali and ~1.5x points if both have similar amount of DNFs.
I just think CS misses that raw speed that Charles and Max have, even though he did clean up his racing and is a really good and talented driver.
As for race craft (overtaking, defending) I cannot agree on that at all.