Problems for Mclaren with development

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Is Hamitons lack of experience in development a concern for Mclaren?

Yes
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50%
No
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40%
They´re not of the pace
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10%
 
Total votes: 78

kilcoo316
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meves wrote:"Unofficial word from the Woking-based team at the end of the test is that the car's problem has been identified and can be fixed in the run to Melbourne."

:D


Strange considering no-one from McLaren has admitted there are any problems yet...



(Going with the distinction that big Norbert is from Merc)

MRE
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I think they had a aerodynamics issue. Brawn GP have done a good job with Mercedes-Benz engine. It is quite weird because for me, Mc Laren have a good car. The design is not too radical. Maybe they are still trying to find the best lift-to-drag ratio for their MP4-24.

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Just seen on the BBC site a scrolling headline saying that McLaren are admitting to having a 'performance shortfall' and the car is 'not good enough to win'.

More soon..

This is going to be such a fascinating season :D

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From McLarens comments it doesn't sound like they have solved the issue or know how to. But looking at the comments it must be the rear end as this is the first proper test with the full package.
"Initial testing of MP4-24, which first ran with an interim aero package, went in accordance with our early developmental expectations," said Whitmarsh.

"This week the car has run in Barcelona with an updated aero package, as we had always planned it would, and a performance shortfall has been identified that we are now working hard to resolve."

When asked if the car was fast enough at the moment, he added: "Not at the moment - and certainly not by our team's extremely high standards.
Full story

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73695

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Ok, seems they have got it wrong (Mclaren that is)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 941572.stm

I admit i was wrong, they were in deep poo. I think it was wishful thinking.
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Martin Whitmarsh wrote:Our Mercedes-Benz engine is strong so the MP4-24's performance shortfall is clearly chassis-centric.
And I suspect, like I and others have said before, that it's all to do with the rear of the car..
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xpensive wrote:Hear that, andartop.
I know some people are saying that Alonso's arrival to McLaren brought almost instant speed to the car though his set-up work, all copied by Hamilton, which was partly what pissed Alonso off later on?
I think it's also the relationship that the driver has with his race engineer and their understanding of the car that makes a difference as well. The engineers have to interpret what the driver is saying in terms of feedback and make changes to the car accordingly.

An example of this was MS complaining to his race engineer (Pat Symonds) of oversteer in a particular fast corner. Pat suggested to MS that after looking at the data and knowing the car he should stiffen the rear end, when logic would suggest just the exact opposite. Michael apparently was very sceptical but went along with it.
MS went out again and didn’t suffer oversteer (due to the bump rubber) in that corner again.

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freedom_honda
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Lee McKenzie wrote on her twitter a couple days ago that the data McLaren gained from the test does not match with the data they had in the windtunnel. Sounds like Honda 2007 anyone?

vall
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I am really excited by the perspective to see Hamilton in a mediocre car :)

Tbox
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freedom_honda wrote:Lee McKenzie wrote on her twitter a couple days ago that the data McLaren gained from the test does not match with the data they had in the windtunnel. Sounds like Honda 2007 anyone?
What, do you think Brawn did a quick switcheroo (of the chassis) at some point over the winter? :lol:

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I'm amazed that Mr Whiting hasn't decreed that the wing profile on the floor of the McLaren just ahead of the rear tire is illegal. The rules state that the floor must be flat. This wing area is raised above the floor with it's leading and trailing edges curved upward from the center of the wing area. I've seen one photo of this new floor on another web site but it was pretty clear that this is a good description of the structure. If this isn't a part of the floor the rules state that no part of the body must be in view when seen from below the vehicle outside of the floor. Aren't the other teams watching?

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Nealio wrote:I'm amazed that Mr Whiting hasn't decreed that the wing profile on the floor of the McLaren just ahead of the rear tire is illegal. The rules state that the floor must be flat. This wing area is raised above the floor with it's leading and trailing edges curved upward from the center of the wing area. I've seen one photo of this new floor on another web site but it was pretty clear that this is a good description of the structure. If this isn't a part of the floor the rules state that no part of the body must be in view when seen from below the vehicle outside of the floor. Aren't the other teams watching?
I'm pretty sure I've seen other cars with a flick up at the anterior end of their floors. There was a good picture of a Toyota's front flick on the last day of testing.

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Tbox wrote:
Nealio wrote:I'm amazed that Mr Whiting hasn't decreed that the wing profile on the floor of the McLaren just ahead of the rear tire is illegal. The rules state that the floor must be flat. This wing area is raised above the floor with it's leading and trailing edges curved upward from the center of the wing area. I've seen one photo of this new floor on another web site but it was pretty clear that this is a good description of the structure. If this isn't a part of the floor the rules state that no part of the body must be in view when seen from below the vehicle outside of the floor. Aren't the other teams watching?
I'm pretty sure I've seen other cars with a flick up at the anterior end of their floors. There was a good picture of a Toyota's front flick on the last day of testing.
Actually, scrub that - I was wrong on both counts.

However, it looks like the front end of the Brawn's floor could be slightly eleveated (or at least heavily sculpted) Image

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vall wrote:I am really excited by the perspective to see Hamilton in a mediocre car :)
Why, because that is the only way your favorite driver can beat him?

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vall wrote:I am really excited by the perspective to see Hamilton in a mediocre car :)
So am I. I hope he outperforms the car and proves he has some skills.
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