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[SmallSoldier]

Pointing out the obvious, that is disappointing that Daniel is struggling as much as he is, isn’t “shitting” on Daniel.

This is the sort of thing I was referring to:

Red Bull made the right call with Verstappen and Mclaren made the wrong call with Ric. Hopefully they’ll learn from it for the future

It's just the odd one or two posts like that. nothing worth caring about. DR is clearly a great driver and I have no doubt that Horner was deeply disappointed to lose him. They haven't ever been able to really replace him so far.

SmallSoldier is right. You can look at this and say it is the car is hard to drive and that it's not really Daniels fault. But we pay him so much money because he is one of the best at extracting speed from a car, and we have a right to expect that he lives up to the demands, this isn't a charity or a popularity contest. He really needs to step up and deliver.

What struck me as curious is his statements is that he isn't belligerent and being too stubborn to change his style. I'd love to understand what is stopping him from making that adjustment, at least more than that he just can't read what the car is going to do next.

He is probably thinking too much… To extract the most out of the car, most actions need to be performed instinctively… Because of the gap, he is probably too focus on what he needs to do and those fractions of a second start adding up… Add that to lack of confidence that the car will do what is capable of at the limit and potentially a little bit of self doubt after a half season where things haven’t gone his way.

Since adapting doesn’t seem to come to him naturally… The only thing to do is to put in the time (at the simulator) until some of the patterns become more instinctive.


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[djos]

He is probably thinking too much… To extract the most out of the car, most actions need to be performed instinctively… Because of the gap, he is probably too focus on what he needs to do and those fractions of a second start adding up… Add that to lack of confidence that the car will do what is capable of at the limit and potentially a little bit of self doubt after a half season where things haven’t gone his way.

Since adapting doesn’t seem to come to him naturally… The only thing to do is to put in the time (at the simulator) until some of the patterns become more instinctive.


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If the McLaren sim is not the latest advanced Driver-in-the-loop sim, there may not be much more he can get out of the current sim.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/mclar ... 4/4984914/

"Combined with that, I think all teams better understand what a driver really needs to feel to replicate the car because you can't generate sustained G-levels [in the sim]. You've got to give better indications of what the car is doing.

"And I think previous simulators were very strong in some cases and weak in others. So we're addressing those weaknesses and making it better.

"So, ultimately, it is to give a globally better representation of the car."

[diffuser]

I know it’s way way too early for this, but in the event Ricciardo doesn’t find his feet at McLaren, does Gasly look like a good option?

I think Ricardo signed a 3 year guaranteed 17 million per year contract. So you'd still have to pay him the 34 million remaining after this year.

[diffuser]

This is very speculative, summer break speculation, but I'm interested to hear what others think.

• Both Daniel and Vettel did well and were competitive at Red Bull, and the car design there has been relatively consistent with the Newey influence.
  From Red Bull, Vettel went on to be somewhat competitive at Ferrari, but suddenly in 2019/20 he was nowhere compared to his new team mate LeClerc.
  Daniel took a little time to adjust to the Renault but eventually performed better than most expected in his final season there.
  Sainz and Norris grew with the new Mclaren design direction from their start at McLaren, always matching each other's performance relatively closely. The 2018 car was a dog and McLaren were clear that they were moving in a new direction at the time.
  Daniel's struggles at McLaren this year have been discussed in detail.
  Vettel leaves Ferrari and suddenly seems to have his mojo back at Aston Martin.
  Sainz goes to Ferrari and matches LeClerc's performance a lot quicker than most would have expected.

Could this imply that Ferrari, from 2019 also shifted their aero design philosophy and that it is also on "the other side" of the line like McLaren's. Could it be that Sainz was able to adapt to the Ferrari so quickly because the braking requirements are closer to McLarens? It is one explanation at least for what we have seen in the relative driver performances.

Daniel is traveling tonight on a plane
I can see the red tail lights heading for Spa
And I can see Daniel waving goodbye
Oh it looks like Daniel, must be the clouds in my eyes
They say Spa is pretty though I've never been
And Daniel says it's the best place that he's ever seen
He should know, he's been there enough
Oh I miss Daniel, oh I miss him so much, oh
Daniel my brother you are older than me
Do you still feel the pain of the scars that won't heal?
Your eyes have died but you see more than I
Daniel you're a star in the face of the sky

[Mclarensenna]

WHo was sh*tting on Daniel?

Quite a few ppl here were doing so.

Pointing out the obvious, that is disappointing that Daniel is struggling as much as he is, isn’t “shitting” on Daniel.

Everyone wants for him to get up to speed and deliver what we know he is capable of… At the same time, he is proving that he is lacking the skill to adapt to a different car… He is not the first to change to a car that is very different to the one he used to drive, the greats have a tendency to adapt faster to the new / different equipment… Alonso is a great example, from driving a McLaren, staying off the grid for 2 years… He is arguably already on top of the Alpine… Vettel is already delivering for Aston Martin and Carlos is doing a great job not only after moving to Ferrari, but also with a very talented team mate as Leclerc.

Hopefully Daniel will get to grips with the car soon, the team needs him a little higher up the grid… And if for whatever reason the MCL36 shows similar characteristics to the MCL35M he needs to learn how to drive it this season.

At the end, McLaren will make the fastest car they can make, it is up to the drivers to extract the maximum out of it… The MCL35M is a fast car, faster than the MCL35 compared to the front of the grid, at least in Lando’s hands.


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"he is proving that he is lacking the skill to adapt to a different car…" <----- I call this sh*tting on Daniel and many here would also. Daniel adapted instantly and demolished Vettel in 2014 from the first race with 3 wins to zero.

Ric also adapted and beat Hulk in his first year something Sainz was not able to adapt and do. Ric adapted to 4 F1 cars fine before. Actually fine is an understatement. He was an exceptional adaptor to instantly beat the 4xwdc especially from race 1 who back then almost everybody said was impossible..

So what "proven adapting skill's" is Ric lacking when he proved himself 4 previous times in 4 previous cars?

[SmallSoldier]

Quite a few ppl here were doing so.

Pointing out the obvious, that is disappointing that Daniel is struggling as much as he is, isn’t “shitting” on Daniel.

Everyone wants for him to get up to speed and deliver what we know he is capable of… At the same time, he is proving that he is lacking the skill to adapt to a different car… He is not the first to change to a car that is very different to the one he used to drive, the greats have a tendency to adapt faster to the new / different equipment… Alonso is a great example, from driving a McLaren, staying off the grid for 2 years… He is arguably already on top of the Alpine… Vettel is already delivering for Aston Martin and Carlos is doing a great job not only after moving to Ferrari, but also with a very talented team mate as Leclerc.

Hopefully Daniel will get to grips with the car soon, the team needs him a little higher up the grid… And if for whatever reason the MCL36 shows similar characteristics to the MCL35M he needs to learn how to drive it this season.

At the end, McLaren will make the fastest car they can make, it is up to the drivers to extract the maximum out of it… The MCL35M is a fast car, faster than the MCL35 compared to the front of the grid, at least in Lando’s hands.


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"he is proving that he is lacking the skill to adapt to a different car…" <----- I call this sh*tting on Daniel and many here would also. Daniel adapted instantly and demolished Vettel in 2014 from the first race with 3 wins to zero.

Ric also adapted and beat Hulk in his first year something Sainz was not able to adapt and do. Ric adapted to 4 F1 cars fine before. Actually fine is an understatement. He was an exceptional adaptor to instantly beat the 4xwdc especially from race 1 who back then almost everybody said was impossible..

So what "proven adapting skill's" is Ric lacking when he proved himself 4 previous times in 4 previous cars?

Daniel had an impressive first season with Red Bull… Did he adapted to the car or the car simply suit his driving style? I really don’t know… I don’t think that anyone is denying that he is a talented driver and that can be very fast.

In regards to his move from Red Bull to Renault, if I’m not wrong he has came out saying that from a behavior perspective, the cars were very similar (not considering of course the performance differences between the two)… How much he needed to adapt to the Renault compared to the McLaren is also something that we don’t know, but since he claimed in 2020 that the car was suiting him more after changes were made (and Renault used the same chassis in 2020 as in 2019) it is to be expected that the differences were as big as he is founding out today.

You keep bringing the Hulkenberg beat Carlos, Daniel beat Hulkenberg therefore Daniel is way better than Carlos… That’s a logical fallacy since (as we are experiencing with Daniel this season), there are factors beyond the driver’s talent that will affect their performance and eventual results… Did Carlos struggled to adapt to the Renault? Let’s not forget that Carlos was on his 4th season in 2018, while Daniel is in his 10th season with all the experience difference that it entails… By your logic, Lando is better than Max? I mean, it is clear that Lando is beating Daniel and Max, even though he beat Daniel, their performances were closer to each other… And I don’t think that’s the case… The problem with that argument is that Carlos beat Lando, so what gives? Carlos beat Lando, Lando is beating Daniel, therefore Carlos is better than Daniel? Not really, right?

At the end, the facts are that Daniel is struggling to get the best out of the McLaren… When comparing him to other driver’s on the grid that have made changes, he is clearly behind the rest in regards to his adaptation to the car… McLaren should hear his feedback, but ultimately they have to build the fastest car they can and it’s up to the drivers to extract the most out of the equipment they are given.

Finally, is it wrong to criticize him? Most of the ones posting in this thread are clearly McLaren fans, but been a fan doesn’t mean that one has to be blind to the issues… I don’t see anything wrong with that.

[Mclarensenna]

Pointing out the obvious, that is disappointing that Daniel is struggling as much as he is, isn’t “shitting” on Daniel.

Everyone wants for him to get up to speed and deliver what we know he is capable of… At the same time, he is proving that he is lacking the skill to adapt to a different car… He is not the first to change to a car that is very different to the one he used to drive, the greats have a tendency to adapt faster to the new / different equipment… Alonso is a great example, from driving a McLaren, staying off the grid for 2 years… He is arguably already on top of the Alpine… Vettel is already delivering for Aston Martin and Carlos is doing a great job not only after moving to Ferrari, but also with a very talented team mate as Leclerc.

Hopefully Daniel will get to grips with the car soon, the team needs him a little higher up the grid… And if for whatever reason the MCL36 shows similar characteristics to the MCL35M he needs to learn how to drive it this season.

At the end, McLaren will make the fastest car they can make, it is up to the drivers to extract the maximum out of it… The MCL35M is a fast car, faster than the MCL35 compared to the front of the grid, at least in Lando’s hands.


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"he is proving that he is lacking the skill to adapt to a different car…" <----- I call this sh*tting on Daniel and many here would also. Daniel adapted instantly and demolished Vettel in 2014 from the first race with 3 wins to zero.

Ric also adapted and beat Hulk in his first year something Sainz was not able to adapt and do. Ric adapted to 4 F1 cars fine before. Actually fine is an understatement. He was an exceptional adaptor to instantly beat the 4xwdc especially from race 1 who back then almost everybody said was impossible..

So what "proven adapting skill's" is Ric lacking when he proved himself 4 previous times in 4 previous cars?

Daniel had an impressive first season with Red Bull… Did he adapted to the car or the car simply suit his driving style? I really don’t know… I don’t think that anyone is denying that he is a talented driver and that can be very fast.

In regards to his move from Red Bull to Renault, if I’m not wrong he has came out saying that from a behavior perspective, the cars were very similar (not considering of course the performance differences between the two)… How much he needed to adapt to the Renault compared to the McLaren is also something that we don’t know, but since he claimed in 2020 that the car was suiting him more after changes were made (and Renault used the same chassis in 2020 as in 2019) it is to be expected that the differences were as big as he is founding out today.

You keep bringing the Hulkenberg beat Carlos, Daniel beat Hulkenberg therefore Daniel is way better than Carlos… That’s a logical fallacy since (as we are experiencing with Daniel this season), there are factors beyond the driver’s talent that will affect their performance and eventual results… Did Carlos struggled to adapt to the Renault? Let’s not forget that Carlos was on his 4th season in 2018, while Daniel is in his 10th season with all the experience difference that it entails… By your logic, Lando is better than Max? I mean, it is clear that Lando is beating Daniel and Max, even though he beat Daniel, their performances were closer to each other… And I don’t think that’s the case… The problem with that argument is that Carlos beat Lando, so what gives? Carlos beat Lando, Lando is beating Daniel, therefore Carlos is better than Daniel? Not really, right?

At the end, the facts are that Daniel is struggling to get the best out of the McLaren… When comparing him to other driver’s on the grid that have made changes, he is clearly behind the rest in regards to his adaptation to the car… McLaren should hear his feedback, but ultimately they have to build the fastest car they can and it’s up to the drivers to extract the most out of the equipment they are given.

Finally, is it wrong to criticize him? Most of the ones posting in this thread are clearly McLaren fans, but been a fan doesn’t mean that one has to be blind to the issues… I don’t see anything wrong with that.

"he is proving that he is lacking the skill to adapt to a different car" <----- I replied to this statement. Ric proved and adapted to 4 different cars.

Hypothetically speaking. Lets say you had 10,000 very frail 90+ year olds with multiple pre existing conditions and divided them into 2 groups. Half took a brand new expiremental vaccine called F1Covid the others did not. The 5000 with no vaccine all died after catching covid.
The 5000 who took the F1Covid vaccine 80% survived after catching covid.
You cannot say the vaccine is "proven" not to work due to 20% dying. the word proven in this case is crazy as it works 4 times out 5.
The vaccine is actually proven to work in this case as it saved 4000 lives.
Nobody will say the vaccine is "proven" not to work. This would be considered an extreme statement that is sh*tting on the vaccine.

Ric proved himself and adapted to 4 different cars. The fact he has not adapted to the 5th car does not mean its "proven" RIc lacks adapting skills when Ric proved his adapting skills 4 other times in 4 different cars.
"he is proving that he is lacking the skill to adapt to a different car" <-------- Sorry but this statement many would agree is sh*tting on Ric as it also too extreme.

[djos]

Exactly. And the team have admitted that their car has issues in the low speed corners that require a unique approach to driving it.

[SmallSoldier]

"he is proving that he is lacking the skill to adapt to a different car…" <----- I call this sh*tting on Daniel and many here would also. Daniel adapted instantly and demolished Vettel in 2014 from the first race with 3 wins to zero.

Ric also adapted and beat Hulk in his first year something Sainz was not able to adapt and do. Ric adapted to 4 F1 cars fine before. Actually fine is an understatement. He was an exceptional adaptor to instantly beat the 4xwdc especially from race 1 who back then almost everybody said was impossible..

So what "proven adapting skill's" is Ric lacking when he proved himself 4 previous times in 4 previous cars?

Daniel had an impressive first season with Red Bull… Did he adapted to the car or the car simply suit his driving style? I really don’t know… I don’t think that anyone is denying that he is a talented driver and that can be very fast.

In regards to his move from Red Bull to Renault, if I’m not wrong he has came out saying that from a behavior perspective, the cars were very similar (not considering of course the performance differences between the two)… How much he needed to adapt to the Renault compared to the McLaren is also something that we don’t know, but since he claimed in 2020 that the car was suiting him more after changes were made (and Renault used the same chassis in 2020 as in 2019) it is to be expected that the differences were as big as he is founding out today.

You keep bringing the Hulkenberg beat Carlos, Daniel beat Hulkenberg therefore Daniel is way better than Carlos… That’s a logical fallacy since (as we are experiencing with Daniel this season), there are factors beyond the driver’s talent that will affect their performance and eventual results… Did Carlos struggled to adapt to the Renault? Let’s not forget that Carlos was on his 4th season in 2018, while Daniel is in his 10th season with all the experience difference that it entails… By your logic, Lando is better than Max? I mean, it is clear that Lando is beating Daniel and Max, even though he beat Daniel, their performances were closer to each other… And I don’t think that’s the case… The problem with that argument is that Carlos beat Lando, so what gives? Carlos beat Lando, Lando is beating Daniel, therefore Carlos is better than Daniel? Not really, right?

At the end, the facts are that Daniel is struggling to get the best out of the McLaren… When comparing him to other driver’s on the grid that have made changes, he is clearly behind the rest in regards to his adaptation to the car… McLaren should hear his feedback, but ultimately they have to build the fastest car they can and it’s up to the drivers to extract the most out of the equipment they are given.

Finally, is it wrong to criticize him? Most of the ones posting in this thread are clearly McLaren fans, but been a fan doesn’t mean that one has to be blind to the issues… I don’t see anything wrong with that.

"he is proving that he is lacking the skill to adapt to a different car" <----- I replied to this statement. Ric proved and adapted to 4 different cars.

Hypothetically speaking. Lets say you had 10,000 very frail 90+ year olds with multiple pre existing conditions and divided them into 2 groups. Half took a brand new expiremental vaccine called F1Covid the others did not. The 5000 with no vaccine all died after catching covid.
The 5000 who took the F1Covid vaccine 80% survived after catching covid.
You cannot say the vaccine is "proven" not to work due to 20% dying. the word proven in this case is crazy as it works 4 times out 5.
The vaccine is actually proven to work in this case as it saved 4000 lives.
Nobody will say the vaccine is "proven" not to work. This would be considered an extreme statement that is sh*tting on the vaccine.

Ric proved himself and adapted to 4 different cars. The fact he has not adapted to the 5th car does not mean its "proven" RIc lacks adapting skills when Ric proved his adapting skills 4 other times in 4 different cars.
"he is proving that he is lacking the skill to adapt to a different car" <-------- Sorry but this statement many would agree is sh*tting on Ric as it also too extreme.

I guess we will agree to disagree… It’s just my opinion that he isn’t someone that has the skills to adapt his driving style to a different car, or better said to a car that is very different from the previous ones he’s driven and this season is proving that… If you think that is “sh*tting” on him, that’s your opinion… I don’t see it as such… He is a very good driver, there is no doubt in my mind about that, but it’s missing that piece of the puzzle (imho) and that’s why he hasn’t been able to perform to the expectations most have for him this season.

In regards to your vaccine analogy, I don’t get it and find it irrelevant to the discussion at hand… If your opinion is that RIC’s struggles aren’t a reflection on his ability as a driver and that is the car that is at fault, then your entitled to it, but the facts are showing otherwise and that’s mine.

I also don’t see how, been of the opinion that he isn’t very “adaptable” is shitting on him, but that’s a label you are placing on it… I see it as a founded critic to a driver based on what this season has showed so far.

[Mclarensenna]

Daniel had an impressive first season with Red Bull… Did he adapted to the car or the car simply suit his driving style? I really don’t know… I don’t think that anyone is denying that he is a talented driver and that can be very fast.

In regards to his move from Red Bull to Renault, if I’m not wrong he has came out saying that from a behavior perspective, the cars were very similar (not considering of course the performance differences between the two)… How much he needed to adapt to the Renault compared to the McLaren is also something that we don’t know, but since he claimed in 2020 that the car was suiting him more after changes were made (and Renault used the same chassis in 2020 as in 2019) it is to be expected that the differences were as big as he is founding out today.

You keep bringing the Hulkenberg beat Carlos, Daniel beat Hulkenberg therefore Daniel is way better than Carlos… That’s a logical fallacy since (as we are experiencing with Daniel this season), there are factors beyond the driver’s talent that will affect their performance and eventual results… Did Carlos struggled to adapt to the Renault? Let’s not forget that Carlos was on his 4th season in 2018, while Daniel is in his 10th season with all the experience difference that it entails… By your logic, Lando is better than Max? I mean, it is clear that Lando is beating Daniel and Max, even though he beat Daniel, their performances were closer to each other… And I don’t think that’s the case… The problem with that argument is that Carlos beat Lando, so what gives? Carlos beat Lando, Lando is beating Daniel, therefore Carlos is better than Daniel? Not really, right?

At the end, the facts are that Daniel is struggling to get the best out of the McLaren… When comparing him to other driver’s on the grid that have made changes, he is clearly behind the rest in regards to his adaptation to the car… McLaren should hear his feedback, but ultimately they have to build the fastest car they can and it’s up to the drivers to extract the most out of the equipment they are given.

Finally, is it wrong to criticize him? Most of the ones posting in this thread are clearly McLaren fans, but been a fan doesn’t mean that one has to be blind to the issues… I don’t see anything wrong with that.

"he is proving that he is lacking the skill to adapt to a different car" <----- I replied to this statement. Ric proved and adapted to 4 different cars.

Hypothetically speaking. Lets say you had 10,000 very frail 90+ year olds with multiple pre existing conditions and divided them into 2 groups. Half took a brand new expiremental vaccine called F1Covid the others did not. The 5000 with no vaccine all died after catching covid.
The 5000 who took the F1Covid vaccine 80% survived after catching covid.
You cannot say the vaccine is "proven" not to work due to 20% dying. the word proven in this case is crazy as it works 4 times out 5.
The vaccine is actually proven to work in this case as it saved 4000 lives.
Nobody will say the vaccine is "proven" not to work. This would be considered an extreme statement that is sh*tting on the vaccine.

Ric proved himself and adapted to 4 different cars. The fact he has not adapted to the 5th car does not mean its "proven" RIc lacks adapting skills when Ric proved his adapting skills 4 other times in 4 different cars.
"he is proving that he is lacking the skill to adapt to a different car" <-------- Sorry but this statement many would agree is sh*tting on Ric as it also too extreme.

I guess we will agree to disagree… It’s just my opinion that he isn’t someone that has the skills to adapt his driving style to a different car, or better said to a car that is very different from the previous ones he’s driven and this season is proving that… If you think that is “sh*tting” on him, that’s your opinion… I don’t see it as such… He is a very good driver, there is no doubt in my mind about that, but it’s missing that piece of the puzzle (imho) and that’s why he hasn’t been able to perform to the expectations most have for him this season.

In regards to your vaccine analogy, I don’t get it and find it irrelevant to the discussion at hand… If your opinion is that RIC’s struggles aren’t a reflection on his ability as a driver and that is the car that is at fault, then your entitled to it, but the facts are showing otherwise and that’s mine.

I also don’t see how, been of the opinion that he isn’t very “adaptable” is shitting on him, but that’s a label you are placing on it… I see it as a founded critic to a driver based on what this season has showed so far.

"but it’s missing that piece of the puzzle (imho) and that’s why he hasn’t been able to perform to the expectations most have for him this season."

<---- what piece of the puzzle? The Mclaren has a trait that "most likely" no other car on the grid has right now. If every single driver who changed teams had a car with the exact same traits as the Mclaren like the Aston Martin and Alpine and all adapted you could make the puzzle analogy. Alonso and Vettel etc did not have to solve the same puzzle as RIc. Rics puzzle if you will is completely different to Alonso's and Vettel's puzzle as they are in completely different cars so them being able to solve a very different most likely easier puzzle does not mean they are better at solving puzzles than Ric is sorry.

Ric also solved 4 previous puzzles in 4 different F1 cars. And not just solved. He solved the puzzle to beat Hulk something Sainz was not able to do. He also solved the puzzle and beat Vettel the 4xWDC with 3 wins to zero. So Ric has proven to not only solve puzzles in his 1st year in a new car and new team but to crush puzzle solving.

"It’s just my opinion that he isn’t someone that has the skills to adapt his driving style to a different car"

<---------- How can you still claim Ric does not posses adapting skills when he adapted not once but 4 times in 4 "different" F1 cars prior and adapted so well he beat the 4XWDC from day 1?

[CjC]

Pointing out the obvious, that is disappointing that Daniel is struggling as much as he is, isn’t “shitting” on Daniel.

This is the sort of thing I was referring to:

Red Bull made the right call with Verstappen and Mclaren made the wrong call with Ric. Hopefully they’ll learn from it for the future

Wow, all this from that.
I’m afraid to say you have have misunderstood my post.
That post of mine was by no means a criticism of Daniel! I posted it after the race criticising the TEAM for the poor strategy call to leave Daniel out on a one stopper (wrong call) where as Red Bull put Verstappen on a 2 stopper and he scored points (right call) they both had damaged cars but only one of them scores points that race.
Even Alfa Romeo put kimi on a 2 stop- he even scored points!
That is why ‘Hopefully they’ll learn from it for the future’ and start making better strategy calls when in that same scenario if at all next time

[djos]

Pointing out the obvious, that is disappointing that Daniel is struggling as much as he is, isn’t “shitting” on Daniel.

This is the sort of thing I was referring to:

Red Bull made the right call with Verstappen and Mclaren made the wrong call with Ric. Hopefully they’ll learn from it for the future

Wow, all this from that.
I’m afraid to say you have have misunderstood my post.
That post of mine was by no means a criticism of Daniel! I posted it after the race criticising the TEAM for the poor strategy call to leave Daniel out on a one stopper (wrong call) where as Red Bull put Verstappen on a 2 stopper and he scored points (right call) they both had damaged cars but only one of them scores points that race.
Even Alfa Romeo put kimi on a 2 stop- he even scored points!
That is why ‘Hopefully they’ll learn from it for the future’ and start making better strategy calls when in that same scenario if at all next time

Lol, sorry dude, my bad.

[CjC]

This is the sort of thing I was referring to:

Wow, all this from that.
I’m afraid to say you have have misunderstood my post.
That post of mine was by no means a criticism of Daniel! I posted it after the race criticising the TEAM for the poor strategy call to leave Daniel out on a one stopper (wrong call) where as Red Bull put Verstappen on a 2 stopper and he scored points (right call) they both had damaged cars but only one of them scores points that race.
Even Alfa Romeo put kimi on a 2 stop- he even scored points!
That is why ‘Hopefully they’ll learn from it for the future’ and start making better strategy calls when in that same scenario if at all next time

Lol, sorry dude, my bad.

No worries mate, I can totally see how/ why it was interpreted by yourself.
I’m very blunt when I’m disappointed and as I’m sure you can understand it was a very disappointing race for us Mclaren fans that day

So disappointed I was that I hadn’t really bothered browsing the forum until today as it’s the race build up. So when I saw a notification I was quite surprised, I was even more surprised when I saw why

If you really want my opinion of Daniel.... I think he’ll complete the grand slam at Spa

[djos]

No worries mate, I can totally see how/ why it was interpreted by yourself.
I’m very blunt when I’m disappointed and as I’m sure you can understand it was a very disappointing race for us Mclaren fans that day

So disappointed I was that I hadn’t really bothered browsing the forum until today as it’s the race build up. So when I saw a notification I was quite surprised, I was even more surprised when I saw why

If you really want my opinion of Daniel.... I think he’ll complete the grand slam at Spa

TBH, that was entirely my fault for randomly picking a negative comment and utterly failing to check the context before then quoting it out of context.

I am definitely a Danny Ric fan, it's hard not to when you are an Aussie and we dont get a lot of our good drivers making it to F1. When Webber made it to F1 it was a dream come true.

I'm rarely going to be critical of other drivers (unless they do something dumb), Norris has proven to be top-shelf and as a McLaren fan it's great to see him delivering for the team. There aren't enough F1 fans around who can appreciate the efforts of their non-fav drivers.

[1m0bius1]

Pointing out the obvious, that is disappointing that Daniel is struggling as much as he is, isn’t “shitting” on Daniel.

This is the sort of thing I was referring to:

Red Bull made the right call with Verstappen and Mclaren made the wrong call with Ric. Hopefully they’ll learn from it for the future

It's just the odd one or two posts like that. nothing worth caring about. DR is clearly a great driver and I have no doubt that Horner was deeply disappointed to lose him. They haven't ever been able to really replace him so far.

SmallSoldier is right. You can look at this and say it is the car is hard to drive and that it's not really Daniels fault. But we pay him so much money because he is one of the best at extracting speed from a car, and we have a right to expect that he lives up to the demands, this isn't a charity or a popularity contest. He really needs to step up and deliver.

What struck me as curious is his statements is that he isn't belligerent and being too stubborn to change his style. I'd love to understand what is stopping him from making that adjustment, at least more than that he just can't read what the car is going to do next.

I think hes second half of the season we will see a slight improvement but i dont think he will compete well with Norris, as Stella said the design philopisphy goes back at least 2-3 years, Norris is very well aware of the car's charactgertics over the years and for Daniel its simply very difficult to drive a completely different way and not bring anything over from his previous experiences..

No doubt behind the scenes Daniel is giving his input and direction the car needs to go as he did with Renault in 2019. Im sure we will see a re-invigorated Daniel in 2022 which lets be honest. Is only 6 moths away.