2025 Las Vegas Grand Prix - Las Vegas Strip, Nov 21 - 23

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_cerber1 wrote:
22 Nov 2025, 08:37
chrisc90 wrote:
22 Nov 2025, 07:23
Lando’s Q1 lap was set under a yellow.

Not sure how much he slowed down by, but definitely improved his lap time.
He was faster before the yellow flags.
That’s irrelevant however. It would had to be shown that he was significantly slower than previous efforts through the mini sectors where the yellow flag was waved.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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chrisc90 wrote:
22 Nov 2025, 08:47
That’s irrelevant however. It would had to be shown that he was significantly slower than previous efforts through the mini sectors where the yellow flag was waved.
is this really how it works on a quickly improving track?

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chrisc90 wrote:
22 Nov 2025, 08:47
That’s irrelevant however. It would had to be shown that he was significantly slower than previous efforts through the mini sectors where the yellow flag was waved.
Did you see the FIA ​​announce the Norris investigation?

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search wrote:
22 Nov 2025, 09:09
chrisc90 wrote:
22 Nov 2025, 08:47
That’s irrelevant however. It would had to be shown that he was significantly slower than previous efforts through the mini sectors where the yellow flag was waved.
is this really how it works on a quickly improving track?
Surely if it’s a dry track, wet track, your 3 seconds up or 3 seconds down…. You have to respect the yellow flag.

I don’t think using the fact the track was quickly improving is a reasonable ‘excuse’ for not respecting a yellow flag.

It would be interesting to compare the telemetry, times etc to previous runs.

Lando had the delta on his wheel this weekend, so be able to see on that if he did drop time
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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_cerber1 wrote:
22 Nov 2025, 09:14
chrisc90 wrote:
22 Nov 2025, 08:47
That’s irrelevant however. It would had to be shown that he was significantly slower than previous efforts through the mini sectors where the yellow flag was waved.
Did you see the FIA ​​announce the Norris investigation?

Haven’t seen anything from the FIA yet on any of the matters
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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chrisc90 wrote:
22 Nov 2025, 09:16
Haven’t seen anything from the FIA yet on any of the matters
So maybe the FIA ​​have no issues with Lando and they saw that he lifted his foot under the yellow flags and his lap time was improved before them.

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_cerber1 wrote:
22 Nov 2025, 09:24
chrisc90 wrote:
22 Nov 2025, 09:16
Haven’t seen anything from the FIA yet on any of the matters
So maybe the FIA ​​have no issues with Lando and they saw that he lifted his foot under the yellow flags and his lap time was improved before them.
Quite possibly. However wouldn’t trust to FIA to have looked and cleared it after some of the other blatant things happening in qualifying over recent years
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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chrisc90 wrote:
22 Nov 2025, 09:15
search wrote:
22 Nov 2025, 09:09
chrisc90 wrote:
22 Nov 2025, 08:47
That’s irrelevant however. It would had to be shown that he was significantly slower than previous efforts through the mini sectors where the yellow flag was waved.
is this really how it works on a quickly improving track?
Surely if it’s a dry track, wet track, your 3 seconds up or 3 seconds down…. You have to respect the yellow flag.

I don’t think using the fact the track was quickly improving is a reasonable ‘excuse’ for not respecting a yellow flag.
I'm not talking about "respecting a flag", but going "significantly slower than previous".

If a track is improving quickly, you can slow down and still be faster than before, even in a mini sector, so I guess different standards need to be applied.

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chrisc90 wrote:
22 Nov 2025, 09:15
search wrote:
22 Nov 2025, 09:09
chrisc90 wrote:
22 Nov 2025, 08:47
That’s irrelevant however. It would had to be shown that he was significantly slower than previous efforts through the mini sectors where the yellow flag was waved.
is this really how it works on a quickly improving track?
Surely if it’s a dry track, wet track, your 3 seconds up or 3 seconds down…. You have to respect the yellow flag.

I don’t think using the fact the track was quickly improving is a reasonable ‘excuse’ for not respecting a yellow flag.

It would be interesting to compare the telemetry, times etc to previous runs.

Lando had the delta on his wheel this weekend, so be able to see on that if he did drop time
How are you basing that he didn't lift ? If you haven't checked the telemetry?

Now, and obvious case is Hadjar in q3, and thats not noted.

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chrisc90 wrote:
22 Nov 2025, 09:27
_cerber1 wrote:
22 Nov 2025, 09:24
chrisc90 wrote:
22 Nov 2025, 09:16
Haven’t seen anything from the FIA yet on any of the matters
So maybe the FIA ​​have no issues with Lando and they saw that he lifted his foot under the yellow flags and his lap time was improved before them.
Quite possibly. However wouldn’t trust to FIA to have looked and cleared it after some of the other blatant things happening in qualifying over recent years
It's obvious that FIA is letting this one go as a favor to McLaren. They had to allow Red Bull break the cost cap because of their change of engine due to perfomance reasons so now you should prepare for all decisions to go in McLaren favor.

Max beware.

/half s

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Ben1980 wrote:
22 Nov 2025, 09:32
chrisc90 wrote:
22 Nov 2025, 09:15
search wrote:
22 Nov 2025, 09:09


is this really how it works on a quickly improving track?
Surely if it’s a dry track, wet track, your 3 seconds up or 3 seconds down…. You have to respect the yellow flag.

I don’t think using the fact the track was quickly improving is a reasonable ‘excuse’ for not respecting a yellow flag.

It would be interesting to compare the telemetry, times etc to previous runs.

Lando had the delta on his wheel this weekend, so be able to see on that if he did drop time
How are you basing that he didn't lift ? If you haven't checked the telemetry?

Now, and obvious case is Hadjar in q3, and thats not noted.
Have a re-read of my posts. I merely said that Lando’s time was set under a waved yellow flag. Therefore he should have slowed significantly.

Whether that should result in a investigation then that’s another thing.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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chrisc90 wrote:
22 Nov 2025, 09:55
Ben1980 wrote:
22 Nov 2025, 09:32
chrisc90 wrote:
22 Nov 2025, 09:15


Surely if it’s a dry track, wet track, your 3 seconds up or 3 seconds down…. You have to respect the yellow flag.

I don’t think using the fact the track was quickly improving is a reasonable ‘excuse’ for not respecting a yellow flag.

It would be interesting to compare the telemetry, times etc to previous runs.

Lando had the delta on his wheel this weekend, so be able to see on that if he did drop time
How are you basing that he didn't lift ? If you haven't checked the telemetry?

Now, and obvious case is Hadjar in q3, and thats not noted.
Have a re-read of my posts. I merely said that Lando’s time was set under a waved yellow flag. Therefore he should have slowed significantly.

Whether that should result in a investigation then that’s another thing.
Lap Norris has on the board at that moment is a lap good enough for Q2.

Norris probably did a Max special, lift off for a split second for a yellow to technically fulfill the rule. I don't make the rules, that is what best driver in the world does.

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FittingMechanics wrote:
22 Nov 2025, 09:56


Lap Norris has on the board at that moment is a lap good enough for Q2.

Norris probably did a Max special, lift off for a split second for a yellow to technically fulfill the rule. I don't make the rules, that is what best driver in the world does.
The precedent (in Miami) for not lifting was not set by Max:

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chrisc90 wrote:
22 Nov 2025, 09:55
Ben1980 wrote:
22 Nov 2025, 09:32
chrisc90 wrote:
22 Nov 2025, 09:15


Surely if it’s a dry track, wet track, your 3 seconds up or 3 seconds down…. You have to respect the yellow flag.

I don’t think using the fact the track was quickly improving is a reasonable ‘excuse’ for not respecting a yellow flag.

It would be interesting to compare the telemetry, times etc to previous runs.

Lando had the delta on his wheel this weekend, so be able to see on that if he did drop time
How are you basing that he didn't lift ? If you haven't checked the telemetry?

Now, and obvious case is Hadjar in q3, and thats not noted.
Have a re-read of my posts. I merely said that Lando’s time was set under a waved yellow flag. Therefore he should have slowed significantly.

Whether that should result in a investigation then that’s another thing.
I've just looked again, the clip showed he was yellow in sector3, which I assume had the yellow flag. What indicates he did slow?

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FittingMechanics wrote:
22 Nov 2025, 09:54

It's obvious that FIA is letting this one go as a favor to McLaren.

They had to allow Red Bull break the cost cap because of their change of engine due to perfomance reasons

so now you should prepare for all decisions to go in McLaren favor.

Max beware.

/half s
.
What do you mean? Break the costcap?
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