2021 Mclaren F1 Team

[djos]

Interesting video on the topic of Daniel’s struggles out today. Pretty much confirms what we’ve been saying here.

[flmkane]

"he is proving that he is lacking the skill to adapt to a different car…" <----- I call this sh*tting on Daniel and many here would also. Daniel adapted instantly and demolished Vettel in 2014 from the first race with 3 wins to zero.

Ric also adapted and beat Hulk in his first year something Sainz was not able to adapt and do. Ric adapted to 4 F1 cars fine before. Actually fine is an understatement. He was an exceptional adaptor to instantly beat the 4xwdc especially from race 1 who back then almost everybody said was impossible..

So what "proven adapting skill's" is Ric lacking when he proved himself 4 previous times in 4 previous cars?

Daniel had an impressive first season with Red Bull… Did he adapted to the car or the car simply suit his driving style? I really don’t know… I don’t think that anyone is denying that he is a talented driver and that can be very fast.

In regards to his move from Red Bull to Renault, if I’m not wrong he has came out saying that from a behavior perspective, the cars were very similar (not considering of course the performance differences between the two)… How much he needed to adapt to the Renault compared to the McLaren is also something that we don’t know, but since he claimed in 2020 that the car was suiting him more after changes were made (and Renault used the same chassis in 2020 as in 2019) it is to be expected that the differences were as big as he is founding out today.

You keep bringing the Hulkenberg beat Carlos, Daniel beat Hulkenberg therefore Daniel is way better than Carlos… That’s a logical fallacy since (as we are experiencing with Daniel this season), there are factors beyond the driver’s talent that will affect their performance and eventual results… Did Carlos struggled to adapt to the Renault? Let’s not forget that Carlos was on his 4th season in 2018, while Daniel is in his 10th season with all the experience difference that it entails… By your logic, Lando is better than Max? I mean, it is clear that Lando is beating Daniel and Max, even though he beat Daniel, their performances were closer to each other… And I don’t think that’s the case… The problem with that argument is that Carlos beat Lando, so what gives? Carlos beat Lando, Lando is beating Daniel, therefore Carlos is better than Daniel? Not really, right?

At the end, the facts are that Daniel is struggling to get the best out of the McLaren… When comparing him to other driver’s on the grid that have made changes, he is clearly behind the rest in regards to his adaptation to the car… McLaren should hear his feedback, but ultimately they have to build the fastest car they can and it’s up to the drivers to extract the most out of the equipment they are given.

Finally, is it wrong to criticize him? Most of the ones posting in this thread are clearly McLaren fans, but been a fan doesn’t mean that one has to be blind to the issues… I don’t see anything wrong with that.

"he is proving that he is lacking the skill to adapt to a different car" <----- I replied to this statement. Ric proved and adapted to 4 different cars.

Hypothetically speaking. Lets say you had 10,000 very frail 90+ year olds with multiple pre existing conditions and divided them into 2 groups. Half took a brand new expiremental vaccine called F1Covid the others did not. The 5000 with no vaccine all died after catching covid.
The 5000 who took the F1Covid vaccine 80% survived after catching covid.
You cannot say the vaccine is "proven" not to work due to 20% dying. the word proven in this case is crazy as it works 4 times out 5.
The vaccine is actually proven to work in this case as it saved 4000 lives.
Nobody will say the vaccine is "proven" not to work. This would be considered an extreme statement that is sh*tting on the vaccine.

Ric proved himself and adapted to 4 different cars. The fact he has not adapted to the 5th car does not mean its "proven" RIc lacks adapting skills when Ric proved his adapting skills 4 other times in 4 different cars.
"he is proving that he is lacking the skill to adapt to a different car" <-------- Sorry but this statement many would agree is sh*tting on Ric as it also too extreme.

I'm gonna take a bite at this argument. Ric has only failed to adapt to one car and now Lando is destroying him. Similarly Senna failed to adapt to the 1994 Williams and Hill beat him (though the car killed Senna)

Thus both Senna and Ric are crappy drivers.

Ofcourse that isn't true in either case. There are issues with both cars.

[mwillems]

This is the sort of thing I was referring to:

It's just the odd one or two posts like that. nothing worth caring about. DR is clearly a great driver and I have no doubt that Horner was deeply disappointed to lose him. They haven't ever been able to really replace him so far.

SmallSoldier is right. You can look at this and say it is the car is hard to drive and that it's not really Daniels fault. But we pay him so much money because he is one of the best at extracting speed from a car, and we have a right to expect that he lives up to the demands, this isn't a charity or a popularity contest. He really needs to step up and deliver.

What struck me as curious is his statements is that he isn't belligerent and being too stubborn to change his style. I'd love to understand what is stopping him from making that adjustment, at least more than that he just can't read what the car is going to do next.

I think hes second half of the season we will see a slight improvement but i dont think he will compete well with Norris, as Stella said the design philopisphy goes back at least 2-3 years, Norris is very well aware of the car's charactgertics over the years and for Daniel its simply very difficult to drive a completely different way and not bring anything over from his previous experiences..

No doubt behind the scenes Daniel is giving his input and direction the car needs to go as he did with Renault in 2019. Im sure we will see a re-invigorated Daniel in 2022 which lets be honest. Is only 6 moths away.

Yeah it must be tricky to change all of that for sure. I just expected more by now from a driver of his calibre.

He was the guy who relentlessly got results even when you though he wouldn't. This is the first time in his career that he has been on the back foot, so I really hope that he can get momentum this year and into next. And I do hope that next years car does not carry this same frailty in the transition.

If it is indeed the Y250 momentarily weakening then yes, it will be gone next year as they do not need that vortex for the floor.

[Ground Effect]

I know it’s way way too early for this, but in the event Ricciardo doesn’t find his feet at McLaren, does Gasly look like a good option?

I think Ricardo signed a 3 year guaranteed 17 million per year contract. So you'd still have to pay him the 34 million remaining after this year.

I think it’s a 2+1 from reports I’ve read. However he finishes 2021, he’ll definitely be in the car for 2022. 2023 is another matter, with McLaren needing to take up the option.

[diffuser]

I know it’s way way too early for this, but in the event Ricciardo doesn’t find his feet at McLaren, does Gasly look like a good option?

I think Ricardo signed a 3 year guaranteed 17 million per year contract. So you'd still have to pay him the 34 million remaining after this year.

I think it’s a 2+1 from reports I’ve read. However he finishes 2021, he’ll definitely be in the car for 2022. 2023 is another matter, with McLaren needing to take up the option.

It is a 2 + 1 but it's Ricciardo that has the option NOT McLaren. The Salary is 10 Million Euro(the 17 was in some other Dollar) Guaranteed + + +. Apparently he collects + 400K euros for every point he collects.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/motorspor ... ddef6368da
However, the fine print in the contract reportedly includes a series of juicy bonuses for the Aussie, including:

— Ricciardo has been guaranteed status as the team’s No. 1 driver

— Ricciardo’s contract is for two years with an option in his favour for a one-year extension through to the end of the 2023 season; and

— Ricciardo can unlock a series of bonus payments reportedly ranging from 400,000 euros every time he collects championship points to 1 million euros for each grand prix victory.

[Ground Effect]

I think Ricardo signed a 3 year guaranteed 17 million per year contract. So you'd still have to pay him the 34 million remaining after this year.

I think it’s a 2+1 from reports I’ve read. However he finishes 2021, he’ll definitely be in the car for 2022. 2023 is another matter, with McLaren needing to take up the option.

It is a 2 + 1 but it's Ricciardo that has the option NOT McLaren. The Salary is 10 Million Euro(the 17 was in some other Dollar) Guaranteed + + +. Apparently he collects + 400K euros for every point he collects.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/motorspor ... ddef6368da
However, the fine print in the contract reportedly includes a series of juicy bonuses for the Aussie, including:

— Ricciardo has been guaranteed status as the team’s No. 1 driver

— Ricciardo’s contract is for two years with an option in his favour for a one-year extension through to the end of the 2023 season; and

— Ricciardo can unlock a series of bonus payments reportedly ranging from 400,000 euros every time he collects championship points to 1 million euros for each grand prix victory.

Thanks for this..

[Mansell89]

Any the thoughts on Spa then guys and girls?

Ferrari might come with an improved engine this week?

Obviously the Merc engine should see us pretty handy on the straights but I suspected Monza might suit us more than Spa?

Be interesting to see how it plays out.

[1m0bius1]

Any the thoughts on Spa then guys and girls?

Ferrari might come with an improved engine this week?

Obviously the Merc engine should see us pretty handy on the straights but I suspected Monza might suit us more than Spa?

Be interesting to see how it plays out.

Should be a strong race. Very flowing medium and high speed corners plus Mclaren being the fastest on the straights. Should be good.

[JPower]

Any the thoughts on Spa then guys and girls?

Ferrari might come with an improved engine this week?

Obviously the Merc engine should see us pretty handy on the straights but I suspected Monza might suit us more than Spa?

Be interesting to see how it plays out.

Ferrari won't have the upgraded PU until Monza at the earliest.

Otherwise, it should be a track the McLaren should do well at IMO. Done well the past two years. Just like Silverstone, no big braking zones for Ricciardo to get himself in trouble.

[_cerber1]

Much will depend on the weather, now the forecast promises rains, which may change the alignment. The last rain race turned into a nightmare for us.

[mclaren111]

I Say a Podium for Lando...

[Fulcrum]

I think Ricardo signed a 3 year guaranteed 17 million per year contract. So you'd still have to pay him the 34 million remaining after this year.

I think it’s a 2+1 from reports I’ve read. However he finishes 2021, he’ll definitely be in the car for 2022. 2023 is another matter, with McLaren needing to take up the option.

It is a 2 + 1 but it's Ricciardo that has the option NOT McLaren. The Salary is 10 Million Euro(the 17 was in some other Dollar) Guaranteed + + +. Apparently he collects + 400K euros for every point he collects.


— Ricciardo can unlock a series of bonus payments reportedly ranging from 400,000 euros every time he collects championship points to 1 million euros for each grand prix victory.

This is incorrect. The condition is every time he collects points, meaning every time he finishes in the points, not the number of points.

If he did so at every race, assuming there are 23 this year, a $9.2M bonus. Its Australian dollars, considering the source of the original quote.

Thus far, AUD$3.2M then.

[Macklaren]

I think it’s a 2+1 from reports I’ve read. However he finishes 2021, he’ll definitely be in the car for 2022. 2023 is another matter, with McLaren needing to take up the option.

It is a 2 + 1 but it's Ricciardo that has the option NOT McLaren. The Salary is 10 Million Euro(the 17 was in some other Dollar) Guaranteed + + +. Apparently he collects + 400K euros for every point he collects.


— Ricciardo can unlock a series of bonus payments reportedly ranging from 400,000 euros every time he collects championship points to 1 million euros for each grand prix victory.

This is incorrect. The condition is every time he collects points, meaning every time he finishes in the points, not the number of points.

If he did so at every race, assuming there are 23 this year, a $9.2M bonus. Its Australian dollars, considering the source of the original quote.

Thus far, AUD$3.2M then.

yeah this makes more sense. Otherwise if Danny had a few podiums like Lando has delivered and maybe even a lucky win -- McLaren will be broke!!

[CjC]

Much will depend on the weather, now the forecast promises rains, which may change the alignment. The last rain race turned into a nightmare for us.

Surely mclaren are due a huge slice of luck at the next wet race

[diffuser]

I think it’s a 2+1 from reports I’ve read. However he finishes 2021, he’ll definitely be in the car for 2022. 2023 is another matter, with McLaren needing to take up the option.

It is a 2 + 1 but it's Ricciardo that has the option NOT McLaren. The Salary is 10 Million Euro(the 17 was in some other Dollar) Guaranteed + + +. Apparently he collects + 400K euros for every point he collects.


— Ricciardo can unlock a series of bonus payments reportedly ranging from 400,000 euros every time he collects championship points to 1 million euros for each grand prix victory.

This is incorrect. The condition is every time he collects points, meaning every time he finishes in the points, not the number of points.

If he did so at every race, assuming there are 23 this year, a $9.2M bonus. Its Australian dollars, considering the source of the original quote.

Thus far, AUD$3.2M then.

You are correct, I miswrote that. Thanks.