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Likewise I think max stays now as well

[wiktor977]

I find it hard to see Max staying now. I think he will sign with Mercedes. Hard to argue its not the better option medium term for him anyway

Quite the opposite. Now Max and his papa run the team, and they for sure like this. This is sad because no driver should have this much power in the team

[Matt2725]

Yeah this solidifies Max at RBR for the foreseeable I think.
The Verstappen camp more or less have control of the team now.

[Vettel165]

Negative Max will leave the team for Mercedes. Mark my words.

[Dee]

Horner (51) is being held responsible for the poor results by the management of Red Bull's parent company.

If this is the real reason, it's absolutely ridiculous IMO. Horner has led Red Bull to massive success since he was appointed, and in F1 you can't win everytime. Even more ridiculous if it's to please Max, managing an F1 team is a whole magnitude higher than finding another great driver.

Imo Marshall, Newey, Wheatley, Will Courtenay all left because of Horner, because Horner sabotaged the Porsche engine deal. Christian wanted to buy out RBR with a British Consortium and have shares similar to Toto whereas Mateschitz wanted Porsche to buy 50% of RBR.

Horner let RB to massive success because of those people that left because of him.

Verstappen was also one of those that wanted that Porsche deal to go ahead. Now this is payback for ruining the team.

[Wouter]

Horner (51) is being held responsible for the poor results by the management of Red Bull's parent company.

If this is the real reason, it's absolutely ridiculous IMO. Horner has led Red Bull to massive success since he was appointed, and in F1 you can't win everytime. Even more ridiculous if it's to please Max, managing an F1 team is a whole magnitude higher than finding another great driver.

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Likewise I think max stays now as well

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I think Yoovidhya had enough from everything, he was in Austria, and when Max said he is leaving RBR he blames Horner for this.

[SiLo]

Hope they suck next year, will be even funnier if the Max camp has pushed him out to stay.

[monkeyboy1976]

Simply lovely

Horner has been sacked. Wow

If they had done this 18 months ago then Newey would perhaps still be here and Wheatley could've been promoted

Perhaps this is a last gasp attempt to keep Verstappen as we know Jos/Max have been unhappy with Horner's presence for a while now (ever since hornergate)

[FNTC]

It has to be either firing him because they are losing Max, or to keep Max. Or a third option if there are more Hornergate stuff about to hit.

[Matt-A]

I'm sure Max will stay at RB. Why would any other team want all this drama. Not worth it.

[Redragon]

Horner being sucked means Verstappen has signed for another team already. my opinion

[sucof]

I do not see why this would be the reason for Max to stay, as most of you assume.
Maybe he was sacked because Max signed with Mercedes...?
Or because the owners had enough of Horners power play, that he wanted to own the team, instead of simply being the leader, where he was successful in the past?

People do change sometimes, over time. Power corrupts them. This made Newey leave, and many others, perhaps Max as well. So he is not a positive asset anymore, but the opposite.

But surely, it will be super interesting to see where Max will race soon.
And I am sure, having the Verstappen family run the business would be quite a new thing in F1, or in Sports in general.

[Mattchu]

Many high level employees left Red Bill over past years, but this is kind of normal I guess.

What is strange to me is a complete lack of high-level "brain import". Horner used to be really good manager in a sense of putting together a top-level team.
But it seems that there are no high level newcomers anymore. They try to replace everybody internally.

Getting people from other teams have so many advantages for so many reasons, they should do it from time to time,.even if all is good, but they are not really doing it.

I wonder why. Is it because of the lack of intent from Red Bull? Or there is will,.but people don't want to go there for whatever reason?

I can only suspect,.that it is Horner trying to consolidate his position within the team by promoting his men internally, I guess to make them loyal? Or to handle low morale/discontent within the team.

But it is clearly not enough.

When was the last time Red Bull hired top management or big names from outside? 2005 when they put together the team. In the last 20 years, they have promoted people from within and so many people left since. McLaren has gone through this and Mercedes too. It's very natural. Horner needs no consolidation. Yoovidhya trusts him and he is going nowhere. This team has to evolve around him and those birds that have outgrown the nest, have to fly out. No amount of fan resentment is going to change that. It's largely a private company with Yoovidhya holding majority. Success goes around in circles and at some point, it would return to Red Bull again, with or without some of the team members remaining or the driver remaining.

This didn`t age well

[euv2]

Horner (51) is being held responsible for the poor results by the management of Red Bull's parent company.

If this is the real reason, it's absolutely ridiculous IMO. Horner has led Red Bull to massive success since he was appointed, and in F1 you can't win everytime. Even more ridiculous if it's to please Max, managing an F1 team is a whole magnitude higher than finding another great driver.

Yeah, it's like sacking Sir Alex Ferguson, even the United teams under him had periods of no success. 1 and a half year of underperformance (still 2nd best team in this time) is not worthy of a sack, given how Horner has already survived much larger periods of not winning.

Horner's case could be causing problems again and the staff lost during this period is also being attributed to this.
If they were actually forced by Jos and co. it's the worst decision they could make. The only valid reason for sacking Horner should be that case.

Also, Mekies is the most underwhelming signing they could make, for me he doesn't strike someone who is a team leader, with any sort of passion and determination to push a team. I'd rather have seen some like Paul Monaghan, or the now departed Wheatley.

[Quantum]

Horner being sucked means Verstappen has signed for another team already. my opinion