2025 Qatar Grand Prix - Lusail, Nov 28 - 30

[f1isgood]

-309 OP
-275 LN
-205 MV
-185 GR

Max has outscored OP and LN by 108 and 58 points respectively... in 8 races... against a dominant car.

It wasn't eve a dominant car. It was a faster car. Earlier in the year. Nowadays depending how set-ups turn out it's either slightly faster or slightly slower than the Red Bull.

Yeah, that’s just insane. Especially given the dominance of the Mclaren.

The last time McLaren was dominant was in the 80s. The last time an F1 car was dominant was in 2023, the Red Bull.

Strange comment. McLaren owned completely the first half of the season until Monza. With two good drivers and decent strategies, this could have been only 1-2 finishes excluding Kanada and even in Kanada one needs to ask the question what would have been possible without fumbling Q3.
Same, not only faster, but dominant pace they held in Maxico, Brazil and Qatar, but fumbled with at least one car in all of these. Especially Qatar showed this in the first stint, they gapped the competition on older tires by a large margin.

I think it is simply wrong to talk down this car. This is clearly one of the best cars in F1 history, clearly the best of this rule set.

I think the McLaren car has no weaknesses with how well-balanced it is. Even the RB19 had weaknesses and was simply off pace at Singapore. Not a single race did the McLaren car not have pace to at least get a P2.

[basti313]

It wasn't eve a dominant car. It was a faster car. Earlier in the year. Nowadays depending how set-ups turn out it's either slightly faster or slightly slower than the Red Bull.



The last time McLaren was dominant was in the 80s. The last time an F1 car was dominant was in 2023, the Red Bull.

Strange comment. McLaren owned completely the first half of the season until Monza. With two good drivers and decent strategies, this could have been only 1-2 finishes excluding Kanada and even in Kanada one needs to ask the question what would have been possible without fumbling Q3.
Same, not only faster, but dominant pace they held in Maxico, Brazil and Qatar, but fumbled with at least one car in all of these. Especially Qatar showed this in the first stint, they gapped the competition on older tires by a large margin.

I think it is simply wrong to talk down this car. This is clearly one of the best cars in F1 history, clearly the best of this rule set.

I think the McLaren car has no weaknesses with how well-balanced it is. Even the RB19 had weaknesses and was simply off pace at Singapore. Not a single race did the McLaren car not have pace to at least get a P2.

Yes, I agree with that. But that goes more into the "fastest car" discussion. I think the sign of utter dominance is if you can finish the races easily 1-2 and just limit your pace by what is needed like Lando did in Mex.
The 23 RedBull in this regard is interesting. First half of the season it was dominant (and/or had no competition, first 8 races we had an Aston 7 times on the podium!?!), second half it reached a point where Perez could not drive it anymore. Complete difference to today, where they drive the McLaren at maximum pace without a single wobble.

[Badger]

I’d love to see a post summer break table of F1 points.

How McLaren have effectively thrown it away (the haven’t as Norris likely to be WDC in AD) but the amount of errors, strategy and team decisions has cost him wrapping the WDC up about 4 races prior.

-309 OP
-275 LN
-205 MV
-185 GR

Max has outscored OP and LN by 108 and 58 points respectively... in 8 races... against a dominant car.

It wasn't eve a dominant car. It was a faster car. Earlier in the year. Nowadays depending how set-ups turn out it's either slightly faster or slightly slower than the Red Bull.

Yeah, that’s just insane. Especially given the dominance of the Mclaren.

The last time McLaren was dominant was in the 80s. The last time an F1 car was dominant was in 2023, the Red Bull.

It's a dominant car vs a dominant driver, it evens out the results slightly. McLaren could have had 20+ wins this year if their execution was top notch from the drivers and strategy.

[ToffeeTyres]

Lando and Piastri just aren’t top tier drivers. They could have wrapped the drivers championship way earlier. Pit strategy has been rubbish they always have been rubbish. Their car has been dominant and compliant on nearly if not every race track they’ve been at. The drivers just aren’t great they should have won way more