2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

[Leon Kennedy]

People here think AMR suddenly becomes a top team after the start of a new chassis AND engine formula are dillusional. Only Mercedes, Ferrari, Audi really enjoy a true works arrangement and structure such that the engine department can work with the chassis department. AMR is a perfect example of Mclaren in 2015. Doesn't have act together, designer blames it on engineers.

Honda fans got the enjoyment of seeing their engine dominate another era of F1 with our hero Max and we'll just sit and watch and enjoy it do it all over again with another hero. AMR best learn from Mclaren that they ought to invest in Honda and a future world champion. If Antonelli becomes the favorite at Mercedes, Russell is a good option. Though I see Antonelli also going to Ferrari at some point as well. The Alonso connection may land Bortoleto an AMR drive, but I could also live with Stroll and Tsunoda to make both sides happy.

So should he do like McLaren and win after 10 years? I don't think the sponsors will be waiting around; I've already read some reports that some are unhappy with the performance so far.

[dren]

I would absolutely love the car to be so dominant that it grants Stroll a WC.

[Jambier]

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In the span of a regulatory era, it's not really two years; you never really recover. Only by changing the regulations can you hope to recover. Anyone who says 2027 or 2028 doesn't remember how turbo hybrid F1 works. The others will always continue to improve, you can be faster than them by 1-2 tenths maximum, but recovering 4 seconds is literally impossible.

That's why they have done the ADUO for those new rules.
So with reliability fixes + ADUO + winter evolution, I still believe 2027 Honda engine can be decent.

[Petebass]

I agree. Nothing until 2027.

[restless]

The idea that they are going to fix this by Japan seems supremely optimistic to me.

Impossible of course.
For 3 weeks (say, after Aus), they can patch
- if they identified/reproduced the issue - by changing mounting, changing engine modes, etc.
If we accept that no issue was detected when testing on-stand and is reproduced when testing the whole chassis, that is possible. After all it is known that there was no testing of combined engine-on-chassis before first tests. late engine, late chassis, whatever, we have what we have.

Fixing in order to get 100% of engine+chassis combined - 2-3 months realistically. After they identify the reason and find solution(s)
Unless they find "easy" fix.
Like that adding 1 more washer from unobtanium is fixing vibrations!

[HPD]

I understand that people are worried or discouraged, but unlike in 2015, we still don't know how much power this engine has. The telemetry clearly shows they're running with less power. For me, it's very different from 2015.

[Leon Kennedy]

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In the span of a regulatory era, it's not really two years; you never really recover. Only by changing the regulations can you hope to recover. Anyone who says 2027 or 2028 doesn't remember how turbo hybrid F1 works. The others will always continue to improve, you can be faster than them by 1-2 tenths maximum, but recovering 4 seconds is literally impossible.

That's why they have done the ADUO for those new rules.
So with reliability fixes + ADUO + winter evolution, I still believe 2027 Honda engine can be decent.

The point is that guys, the other engine manufacturers are also developing for 2027, Ferrari already says it is doing so in a significant way. From 2027 there will be a block for everyone except those who join ADUO, but just look at the two posts by diffusor and you can see that it is not as significant as one might think.It entitles you to two performance upgrades and slightly exceeds the budget Cup (which however must also be used for other things besides the engine).

Basically, if Honda is 100hp behind at full power, AM is screwed. We have to hope that it has an intrinsic deficit of around 20hp maximum, otherwise there will be no chance of seeing Am at the top in the next two years.

[Leon Kennedy]

I understand that people are worried or discouraged, but unlike in 2015, we still don't know how much power this engine has. The telemetry clearly shows they're running with less power. For me, it's very different from 2015.

You're right, but Krack's words worried me. Saying that the reliability issue doesn't significantly impact power is a very serious situation, guys.