2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

[Leon Kennedy]

People here think AMR suddenly becomes a top team after the start of a new chassis AND engine formula are dillusional. Only Mercedes, Ferrari, Audi really enjoy a true works arrangement and structure such that the engine department can work with the chassis department. AMR is a perfect example of Mclaren in 2015. Doesn't have act together, designer blames it on engineers.

Honda fans got the enjoyment of seeing their engine dominate another era of F1 with our hero Max and we'll just sit and watch and enjoy it do it all over again with another hero. AMR best learn from Mclaren that they ought to invest in Honda and a future world champion. If Antonelli becomes the favorite at Mercedes, Russell is a good option. Though I see Antonelli also going to Ferrari at some point as well. The Alonso connection may land Bortoleto an AMR drive, but I could also live with Stroll and Tsunoda to make both sides happy.

So should he do like McLaren and win after 10 years? I don't think the sponsors will be waiting around; I've already read some reports that some are unhappy with the performance so far.

[dren]

I would absolutely love the car to be so dominant that it grants Stroll a WC.

[Jambier]

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In the span of a regulatory era, it's not really two years; you never really recover. Only by changing the regulations can you hope to recover. Anyone who says 2027 or 2028 doesn't remember how turbo hybrid F1 works. The others will always continue to improve, you can be faster than them by 1-2 tenths maximum, but recovering 4 seconds is literally impossible.

That's why they have done the ADUO for those new rules.
So with reliability fixes + ADUO + winter evolution, I still believe 2027 Honda engine can be decent.

[Petebass]

I agree. Nothing until 2027.

[restless]

The idea that they are going to fix this by Japan seems supremely optimistic to me.

Impossible of course.
For 3 weeks (say, after Aus), they can patch
- if they identified/reproduced the issue - by changing mounting, changing engine modes, etc.
If we accept that no issue was detected when testing on-stand and is reproduced when testing the whole chassis, that is possible. After all it is known that there was no testing of combined engine-on-chassis before first tests. late engine, late chassis, whatever, we have what we have.

Fixing in order to get 100% of engine+chassis combined - 2-3 months realistically. After they identify the reason and find solution(s)
Unless they find "easy" fix.
Like that adding 1 more washer from unobtanium is fixing vibrations!

[HPD]

I understand that people are worried or discouraged, but unlike in 2015, we still don't know how much power this engine has. The telemetry clearly shows they're running with less power. For me, it's very different from 2015.

[Leon Kennedy]

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In the span of a regulatory era, it's not really two years; you never really recover. Only by changing the regulations can you hope to recover. Anyone who says 2027 or 2028 doesn't remember how turbo hybrid F1 works. The others will always continue to improve, you can be faster than them by 1-2 tenths maximum, but recovering 4 seconds is literally impossible.

That's why they have done the ADUO for those new rules.
So with reliability fixes + ADUO + winter evolution, I still believe 2027 Honda engine can be decent.

The point is that guys, the other engine manufacturers are also developing for 2027, Ferrari already says it is doing so in a significant way. From 2027 there will be a block for everyone except those who join ADUO, but just look at the two posts by diffusor and you can see that it is not as significant as one might think.It entitles you to two performance upgrades and slightly exceeds the budget Cup (which however must also be used for other things besides the engine).

Basically, if Honda is 100hp behind at full power, AM is screwed. We have to hope that it has an intrinsic deficit of around 20hp maximum, otherwise there will be no chance of seeing Am at the top in the next two years.

[Leon Kennedy]

I understand that people are worried or discouraged, but unlike in 2015, we still don't know how much power this engine has. The telemetry clearly shows they're running with less power. For me, it's very different from 2015.

You're right, but Krack's words worried me. Saying that the reliability issue doesn't significantly impact power is a very serious situation, guys.

[FNTC]

They have been running detuned and overweight so far, so we will see the potential only if they fix the vibrations

[Sasha]

I believe Newey has an IDEA what needs to be done.

Both parties will be involved in the fix.

[SSJ4]

we'll see what happens in japan. but miami will be the real test. considering both aston martin and honda have a month to find some concrete solutions.
Would be the perfect time to use an allocated filming day to get extra mileage in

[Petebass]

If you join all declarations; ALO, STR, Newey, Krack...; the main problem is the Power, not the vibrations.

[AR3-GP]

Don't forget RBPT, which is the only team with Ferrari where chassis and engine operations are located on the same campus.

Why it is so important ? At the end, chassis and engine will be developed separately and when the marriage time came both come together anyway. Miscalculation or design issues can be everytime. Especially when you want to do something different.

It's a significant benefit to have the PU and chassis teams in the same vicinity. The people are able to see one another every day whether it's resolving issues, having a coffee, exchanging ideas, and so on. It makes a better team.

If Honda was based in silverstone since 2023, none of what has happened so far would be happening. It would have been impossible to hide the problems and they would have received more help. That should be biggest indictment of separating the PU and chassis teams by several continents.

[diffuser]

It was then AMR's job to manage Honda and they failed. You can blame AN, sure he has his share of blame, but the problem was probably already there by the time he joined. Cowell should have been managing that relationship before AN arrived. AN probably exasperated the issue by making late chassis changes.

I'm quite sure it was Honda management's job to manage Honda. I can't how it's AM's fault, if all they was told that everything's fine and AM leadership only got wind of Honda falling back on targets is via leaked rumors. If indeed that is how it happened, it's dishonest and a disrespectful.

Some reason my thoughts keep going to the missed testing at AVL in Graz Austria because AM was delayed with the chassis.

There were also rumors, that Honda made last minute changed to the engine design. So who knows...

yeah this whole narrative of the "honda babysitter clause" is almost hysterical to me. what other formula 1 engine supplier gets a pass for under-performing because the guys that are in charge of designing the chassis didnt help them enough? honda is one of the largest, most accomplished motor manufacturers on the planet. building great engines is literally what they are famous for. in hindsight, yeah, they obviously needed all the help from aston that they couldve recieved, but i can see a better argument that aston had a monumental task at hand to make a competitive chassis with 4 months less time than the other teams. it would be nice if "the great engine manufacturer" could cover the power unit part of the equation. that is what they do right?? even if aston was told that honda were going to shuffle their talented NEW engineers into the project (doubtful they were told about that) and send the ones with f1 experience to other parts of the company, aston wouldve naturally thought that honda must know what theyre doing. otherwise, the fact that they would do that just sounds really amateur to me. i wonder if the chassis happens to suck, would honda get blamed? it seems to me like a serious case of an engine supplier half assing their project. always with one foot in and one foot out of the sport. they hopped back in last minute and didnt get their sh#$ together until they already had a disaster on their hands

if this sounds cynical, then i have accomplished something today

Look at it this way...what other WORKS team has PU manufacturer 9600KM and 9 hrs away ? ZERO. All the other teams are right there, next to the PU manufacture with babysitting.

It isn't a pass, it just normal management if you don't want surprises ....

see I agree with this ... They should have had a team of guys there from the day they signed with a translator working with them.

[Redragon]

Rumours are that Newey sucking is imminent but Lobato said they are looking at a team principal. So mixing both rumours i would say Newey is going to stay but not as top boss but more to be in charge of his area while a new team principal takes the lead