Datco wrote: ↑02 Aug 2021, 14:23
This championship is ruined. If Lewis wins, the question will always be asked what if Merc drivers did not take out Max two races in a row. Not only from a points perspective but also PU penalties and costs that would have an effect of development. Will always be a hollow victory for merc.
pretty shortsighted and empty comment.
remember that Max had a DNF in Baku after tire failure. It's an interesting discussion, but if we need to believe FIA and/or Pirelli, then this happened because of incorrect tire pressure usage, which would make it RedBull's own mistake.
Either way, let's claim that it was to no fault of Max at all.
Max makes zero points. He could have had big points, but he lost them all.
Then we get a restart.
What happens? the unthinkable, really. Hamilton goes straight off, finishes last. Zero points.
Due to a clumsy mistake - there have been some interesting discussions there too.
But let's face the truth here:
Despite all the empty, baseless stories that Lewis always gets lucky, this is a full example of how Max got lucky.
First he got unlucky, then he got lucky.
After all, the truth of the matter is, if nothing went wrong there, Hamilton would have had P1.
Worse, Perez - who grabbed the win - was on the edge of having a DNF due to hydraulic problems, and this means RedBull in the constructors standings would have had 25 points less.
There is sufficient ground to concider that if the Red Flag had not occurred - but instead, for example, we would have had a safety car situation and a quick safety car restart (let's concider Max' car could have been salvaged by the marshalls quick and easy), then Hamilton would have won the GP and Perez would have had a dnf.
Then Hamilton would have had a 25 point further lead, and RBR 25 points less in the WCC standings, and as such, Mercedes 25 points more.
Yes, it's always a case of IF's and IF's, but from all things, this really is how that race reasonably would have finished.
So Max got very very lucky that from all moments and opportunities, with just 1 lap to go, Lewis made such an enormeous error and lost the win.
And as for DNF's and PU issues, i'll also very much like to remind people from the incident between Bottas and Russell.
Who knows how that race would have ended up - including points - had Bottas not been taken out, and how much will that destroyed Mercedes have cost the team and will result in a grid penalty due to engine replacement?
I'd also very much like to remind people that Max is not a saint - the opposite really. Max has also punted Lewis this season even, during race start first few corners pushing him off making contact, and he has recieved ZERO penalty.
people really need to calm down and don't make a fuzz or turn a 'mosquito into an elephant' as some sayings go.
The REAL truth of it all actually is this:
If RedBull had done more effort, or a better job so to speak. If Max had done a better job during Q3, then Max, instead of starting P3, would have had pole position, and he would NOT have been punted out by Bottas.
Instead then, Max would have easily drove off P1, and let's concider he -unlike Hamilton- would have went inside and changed tires. He would have completely DOMINATED the race.
It would mean that Hamilton, being P2, would have been taken out by his own teammate, and Mercedes would have had zero points.
Fact of the matter remains: RedBull did not deliver in Hungary as Mercedes did, and RedBull didn't read the race and used adaptive tactics like they did with Hamilton.
This honestly means, as harsh as it sounds, that this result is greatly due to RedBull's own incompetence, paired to simple and true risk of racing.
Alonso didn't ask to get taken out by Grosjean in Spa, 2012.
Alonso finished 3 points behind Vettel in 2012. Had Grosjean NOT taken out Alonso in 2012, it's VERY LIKELY, that Alonso would have finished in the top 6, and he would have been, guaranteed, a WDC in 2012 - and as such, broken RedBull's and Vettel's dominance.
Instead, this is racing, and that's how things go. Had Gachot not had a altercation with a taxi driver in 1991, Schumacher would not have debuted in Jordan in 1991 and the season would have been different.
Had Schumacher not broken his legs years ago, the results for that season would have been different.
It doesn't ruin a championship, it just happens as it goes.
Don't make more of it than it is.
The same for the still continued nonsense about the Silverstone crash of Max. It happened, that's it.
Sh%$ happens, that's racing, end of story.